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Originally posted by Soeder old cars looks way better than new cars because they're designed with passion and creativity.

If that was truely the view of the consumer, then car manufacturers would design their cars like this today.

This highlights the 'subjective' view you, and indeed I, have.

This also applies to old and new trance. Sone people like that retro sound. I dig piano, like in Anjo - Sunrise, but a production like that today would not cut it. But I still think it rocks.

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister Produce one with old technology, one with new. So long as the same level of skill goes into each, out the other end will come a better production, INO, from the new technology.

What do you mean same level of "skill"? That the creativity of the two tracks is equal? Maybe yes, thats the case in this imaginary experiment, but this is not what happens in reality! Why? Because "for an angel" in comparison to most of todays trance tracks DON'T have the same level of creativity even if you like it even if you don't. Its HUMANS that make the tracks not computers!(Thank God!)Its the emotion and the inspiration that spawns out melodies capable of inducing goosebumbs not bloody EXTRA RAM!


And your car analogy is very loose. Cars are made for driving. hence a more technologically advanced car will have a better performance in comparison to a less advanced one. Music is not assesed in terms "performance",e.g. in how much "clear" is the production of a track. Ofcourse if you want to compare two tracks in the production level, the newer one wil be better. Music is determined though by how good it is and clearly, technology can't change the "goodness" of the track, even in the case that super-advanced quantum hyper-synthesizers are used. Its the human Brain that does it, and from what i know, the human brain doesn't evolve so fast!

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Originally posted by Arraias Forbidden Fruit the version of the album Seven Ways is faaaaaar superior.

Agreed!

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Bitterness towards what, exactly? You realise I have everything at my disposal to become exactly like you. I know exactly how to use Discogs and I'm fully capable of employing P2P. All I'd need to do is surrender my social life and I could fire snob-bullets with the best of them. You don't have anything I cannot easily obtain. There's absolutely nothing special about you. But besides that, I've been heavily criticised recently for dragging numerous threads into the quagmire of self-indulgent arguments, so I'm doing my best to cut down. Maybe if you look at your own posts and the ridiculously loaded arguments you're making you could figure it out yourself, but let's cut the logical processes out of it briefly and I'll use a simply one. You recently said your list of favourite tracks would be much like Cobalt's. I think you know full well that Cobalt knows a shitload about trance throughout its history. Now... take a wild guess at what one of his self-admitted favourite tracks is.

Cobalt listens more to late 90's progressive trance iirc. He's heard Harthouse, but what else? There's no context.

And I have no problem with self-indulgence. I get really tired of people claiming that For An Angel (or some other whored out track) is the best track from that era. Well what else have you heard? "Well, uh... there's... Age of Love." NO SHIT! If that's all you've heard, then OF COURSE they're your favorites.

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Originally posted by PETRAN What do you mean same level of "skill"?

Take one person, split him (or her!) in two.

I'm trying to make the only variable in the 'experiment' the technology.

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Originally posted by distant Prove what? My argument? Or that I know more?

Distant is a good name for you...

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Bed time for me now.

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Originally posted by RickyM Distant is a good name for you...

EDIT: You know what... I'll just let your taste in music speak for itself.

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I heard Deniro - Evolver, last year for the first time.

I think it rocked, and totally blew my mind.

The track is fucking 10 years old.

And that was just an example.

Nowadays everybody is copying eachoter, imagine, eating your shit over and over again, the quality of the shit is bound to decrease each time.

And for each shit, a label is picking up a piece of it to sell on online stores for no cost at all.

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why is this tune so great?

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Originally posted by Subtle I heard Deniro - Evolver, last year for the first time. I think it rocked, and totally blew my mind. The track is fucking 10 years old.

if you like that one check out De Niro - Elan Vital.
ace tune

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