Lets make it more clearer: we need money. we work for money. Money is good.

When you love money, money becomes bad. The love of money is the sources of a lot of humanity's problems. These money-loving people become a threat to us. They reach high levels of government and run the country with that mentality. Love of money damages the mentality. These people become your money's friend. They will do almost anything for it. More profits. More control. More power.

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Originally posted by Zild I agree, but I still take offense to your go at students being one myself.

Just like I dont really appreciate being lumped in with criminals, gamblers, frauds and extortionists because I want to work harder, raise my standard of living to something above working class. You probably dont really want to be lumped in with ignorant, un-worldly idealists who think that voting for a certain party is going to help secure their futures.

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Originally posted by Lilith Iraq... They havent had to fight for democracy,it simply landed on their doorstep, busted the place up,

Wish you'd been in charge! Couldn't agree more!

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Originally posted by Lilith Just like I dont really appreciate being lumped in with criminals, gamblers, frauds and extortionists because I want to work harder, raise my standard of living to something above working class. You probably dont really want to be lumped in with ignorant, un-worldly idealists who think that voting for a certain party is going to help secure their futures.

Sorry but I'm not sure I saw anyone lumping you in with those things.

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Hah, hell no I wouldnt want to be responsible for that...

But its basically what happens when something happens 'immediately' rather than a gradual process of having the population aclimatise and orient themselves in a society which takes time and hard work.
Russia may be 'ugly' now, but its a far preferable solution than the 'instant' fix for problems like Iraq... which somehow still sort of counts as a democracy even though it came by it having been turned on its ear.

-just to clarify, there are some extremely brave people in Iraq who turned up in droves despite the threat of being blown to pieces, murdered and shot, just to vote. Its the seedy underbelly thats still using it mostly as an excuse to found their own hatred based, despotic power bases that are the real problem
If it was up to me, I would have not sent in an army, beyond one that would have secured the polling booths and allowed people to either vote for Saddam or someone else freely. Probably just as much work but at least they would have had democracy as a civilised manner instead of a general issue jackboot up their arses.

I think one major thing people always overlook is that a constitution is really just a piece of paper.

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Originally posted by Zild Sorry but I'm not sure I saw anyone lumping you in with those things.

Its pretty damn clear here what he thinks of anyone that isnt 'working class'

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I know how to handle money. I dont need a lesson, I've seen how people take care of their money and what they are willing to do for money, all the gambling addicts, cards for money addicts, etc. etc. I stay away from people who are too much of money. They love their money so much, they like it more than you. They are willing to do crazy things for more of it. Thats some politicians and powerful corporate oligarchs for ya!

Sure, I do it for myself and ultimately a way of securing a future for any of my offspring along the way in their future so they have their clean water, food and a house over their head. But I'm really not snapping anyones necks in the process.
Why?
Because no one else is going to look after my ass and I'm certainly not looking to the state safety nets to secure my future.

I don't see it, but you're entitled to your own opinion. You don't have to be working class to know that you shouldn't love money too much.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Yes, I found it a bit offensive too. Lilith is all about the money, hehe ;-) I'll have enough money, one way or another. I have lived on 850 dollars a month the first six months when I had to move out of my parents house and I did fine (inlc. rent: $350, bills/transit: $120). I know how to handle money. I dont need a lesson, I've seen how people take care of their money and what they are willing to do for money, all the gambling addicts, cards for money addicts, etc. etc. I stay away from people who are too much of money. They love their money so much, they like it more than you. They are willing to do crazy things for more of it. Thats some politicians and powerful corporate oligarchs for ya! Money, or theft of it, has murdered so many people. So many children die around the world, so many people lose their farms, homes, lives because others want to make a profit. Fuck money. There's enough money (plus lots of leftover) to provide EVERYONE with enough water and food to survive. The 1% richest people have more than 80% of the poorest. All they do is keep it to themselves. YAY, GO MONEY!!!! America's yearly military budget alone is enough to feed every single hungry person for the whole year.

Remember though, money itself is not evil, it's the LOVE of money that's evil

Money isn't all bad, it's just better when you have more than not enough.
If money wasn't all that important, try not paying your tuition or your rent.
You'll soon learn how important it is

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Originally posted by Zild I don't see it, but you're entitled to your own opinion. You don't have to be working class to know that you shouldn't love money too much.

How much simpler can I make it?

You do not invest in your country, you do not work for you country to make it a better place at even the simplest, most fundamental level of the family unit and individual.

Then the place will go to hell

Especially if you dont bother, sit idly here whinning about it, running away to another country and looking to the fedral government or, outside forces to put something in place, then youre a charity basket case and will get annexed, either economically like in Russia where the disparity between have/have not is so great it boggles, or in Iraq where its a violent cesspit because someone else came in to do the job.

If you trust your government to look after your personal best interests, youre blind.
If you trust in an ideal like democracy to fix everything, then youre going to wear it in the face.

I don't see why you go off on tangents and read into things that aren't there. All I'm saying is that I agree with you about everything I just took slight offense to your go at university students. It's OK but I don't understand what prompted this response. You're preaching to the choir.

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Kill the women. Eat the children.
It's just one of those days where you want to bend over everyone you know and kiss their ass goodbye with a big sideways boot.

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