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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* Good to hear. It really makes me smile to know how dedicated you are to the cause. Keep me posted on when your fundraisers are and I'll try my best to come out again. It's harder for me to come out - even if only for a few hours - since I live in Windsor. But I'll do my best

I'll be going to Windsor to do baby pics in a few months. I was there three weeks ago for preggo pics - check out my "myspace" page
Muzzybear's myspace page

Next time I'll get in touch. I can now that I've got this damn contraption at home!!!

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Originally posted by EvilTree Just a quip here. Science is not against religion, but are compatible with each other. Ah well. God has a lot to answer if I ever get to heaven

that's only partially true. They are often at odds with each other. Like for example, creationists suggesting that the dinosaurs existed at the same time as man when they clearly did not, or ingoring our nearly complete genetic similarity to chimpanzees (over 99%).

I myself do not disbelieve in a God. obviously there is some kind of higher being, power or old guy out there or else why the hell are we, or ANYTHING, here to begin with? Its actually quite scary. My own opinion is that religions have been created to explain the unexplainable and, as we progress scientifically, technologically, culturally, etc, we begin to see what we thought 2000 years ago might not exactly have been right. But that's just me.

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict I understand the passion, but I don't like people coming to my door if I don't want them there. I try to be polite when they come. I pretty much always say "Thank you, but I worship Satan in my basement". This usually leads to an awkward silence then they just turn around and leave.

LOL! Yeah, I really learned how to handle rejection and anger, let me tell you! I remember one time, tho, where a lady was so angry about not "allowing gays in our church", and I was able to explain that it's not the person, but the act, and how because I had been a fornicator (and became a fornicator again!) that it was all the same in God's eyes. I had quite a few gay witness friends, who just didn't have sex with men (or women obviously!). The lady really calmed down and thanked me explaining it that way. Did you know that Prince made the news when he went preaching during the Super Bowl?

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 that's only partially true. They are often at odds with each other. Like for example, creationists suggesting that the dinosaurs existed at the same time as man when they clearly did not, or ingoring our nearly complete genetic similarity to chimpanzees (over 99%).

The thing about the Bible is that it is very open to interpretations, and often there is much that is not said. (Not to mention possible translation issues of old texts and languages)
For example, if the Big Bang theory really did start the universe, what cause those two atoms to suddenly run into each other? (Higher power perhaps?)
So really, it is hard to actually use the Bible to put a concrete statement concerning the creation or evolution, but neither does science do a perfect job of disproving all notions from the Bible. (And as I stated, both science and religion can co exist)

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I myself do not disbelieve in a God. obviously there is some kind of higher being, power or old guy out there or else why the hell are we, or ANYTHING, here to begin with? Its actually quite scary. My own opinion is that religions have been created to explain the unexplainable and, as we progress scientifically, technologically, culturally, etc, we begin to see what we thought 2000 years ago might not exactly have been right. But that's just me.

You're quite right. Human desire to satisfy curiosity has caused a lot of religion to sprout up, and a lot of those 'old' religions are adapting to modernity.

But because humans are flawed by nature and we make mistakes, it is likely that how we interpret the Bible or the Qu'ran or the Book of Mormons or whatever is also flawed.

Humans have also used religion for own means that caused a lot of suffering in history.

However, for religions like Christianity still exists with billions of people professing themselves as Christians through out the years. Surely there must be some profound truth in what Christianity (and what other religions preach) says.

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict I understand the passion, but I don't like people coming to my door if I don't want them there. I try to be polite when they come. I pretty much always say "Thank you, but I worship Satan in my basement". This usually leads to an awkward silence then they just turn around and leave.

LOL I should try that next time ....

I usually just tell them that if there goal is to bring people closer to God, my family is already religious ... usually then they just say oh ok... then walk off

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 yes I would say I concur with that broad line of thinking. I am not religious at all and am glad my dad resisted my mom's urging to have me sent to Sunday school, attend church, etc, etc. Then I discovered Darwin at age 14.....

This raises an interesting question in itself. Are children (in this case babies) of any religion? Is it fair to force a religion upon a person of any age, based on the beliefs of their parents?

That certainly doesn't fly for politics. You never hear anyone say 'she's a progressive conservative' child. Because it's not considered acceptable to force politics on a child. For some reason (that our society has accepted for thousands of years), religion gets a free pass in this respect. Muslim child, Catholic child, Jewish child - all very normal terms.

I'm not trying to put religion and politics on the same page here, as many people will have much stronger convictions when it comes to religion. I'm just asking questions and trying to apply some logic.

Again, I recommed the Richard Dawkins book - the God Delusion - for both theists and atheists alike. It raises many great issues and calls into question the blind following of religion.

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Originally posted by Revival160 Again, I recommed the Richard Dawkins book - the God Delusion - for both theists and atheists alike. It raises many great issues and calls into question the blind following of religion.

Ah, the blind following of religion.

Perfect recipe for religious leaders to abuse their power.

Hence why I get leery when someone claims to speak in the name of God or whoever.

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

i totally dug this thread - thanks for your opinion Muzzybear - I may not always agree with you but I love that you ahve taken the time to share that

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Originally posted by jennypie Well it's THEIR belief. That's why the world needs educated health care professionals to advocate for these kind of people, to let them know there ARE options for them. Sure, to US it's retarded...but what's MORE retarded is the lack of education on the matter.

It would be entirely different if there weren't options on this, but the blood transfusion info you posted is one way which is alright. I'm Orthodox but have relatives from my Dad's side who are JW's from the Uk. They're awesome people. I just don't really take part in anything bible related when they have people over for that kind of stuff...as for their beliefs as long as they have options for certain situations I'd say it's for the better but I've seen where it can have a detrimental effect on things as well.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie Take the Jehova's Witness quiz. http://www.thebentinel.com/jw-quiz.php I got "You are 40% Jehovah's Witness!"

I got 33% then read the little thing after wards. All I have to say is WOW.

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Originally posted by Revival160 This raises an interesting question in itself. Are children (in this case babies) of any religion? Is it fair to force a religion upon a person of any age, based on the beliefs of their parents? That certainly doesn't fly for politics. You never hear anyone say 'she's a progressive conservative' child. Because it's not considered acceptable to force politics on a child. For some reason (that our society has accepted for thousands of years), religion gets a free pass in this respect. Muslim child, Catholic child, Jewish child - all very normal terms. I'm not trying to put religion and politics on the same page here, as many people will have much stronger convictions when it comes to religion. I'm just asking questions and trying to apply some logic. Again, I recommed the Richard Dawkins book - the God Delusion - for both theists and atheists alike. It raises many great issues and calls into question the blind following of religion.

this is why i"m glad not to have been "brainwashed". I don't mean to use that term negatively but if you are told from an early age that this is true and that is true and if you do this, you'll burn in hell, etc, etc....that's pretty much your parents/family molding your mind for you and you'll likely never change your beliefs.

My parents never forced anything on me and although I got the whole "you go to heaven when you die to be reunited with your loved ones" BS as a kid, I always knew there had to be more to life than that.

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