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Originally posted by Q5echo listen folks, the bottom line is Al consumes 20 times the national average in just one of his homes (he has three. not that that matters). that is EXTREMELY wasteful by any standard. he cannot purchase credits for that, ok? he purchases credits for the carbon he releases burning jet fuel. a very dubious way of atoning for his self-described "moral" sins. the man could be just as effective living in a house like Bush's and cutting down on the jet-set speaking tour but he chooses not to. fine. as a Republican, there shouldn't be any reason for me to judge him based soley on that. but i'll be damned if i'm gonna take seriously him telling me how i should live my life based on his "moral" standard. i don't need that collasal user to tell me about global warming. none of us do. (even you Josh4) and if i don't need him, then i'll damn sure criticize his every move diametrically opposed to what he preaches.

its never going to be enough for you people because you're against the message. as long as you don't believe in the message you'll find any possible way out of it

Only 13 Percent Of Congressional Republicans Believe In Man-Made Global Warming
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/05/warming-13-percent/

do you? because thats really what its always going to come down to

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Originally posted by josh4 its never going to be enough for you people because you're against the message. as long as you don't believe in the message you'll find any possible way out of it Only 13 Percent Of Congressional Republicans Believe In Man-Made Global Warming http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/05/warming-13-percent/ do you? because thats really what its always going to come down to

I'm just not convinced of the argument.
I believe that if anything, we're polluting yes, but there is NO conclusive evidence of man-made emissions being the exact reason of creating global warming other than this current correlation = causation sensation.

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well i'd rather not turn this thread into a cause of global warming debate (plenty of existing threads for that) but my point still stands

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Originally posted by josh4 its never going to be enough for you people because you're against the message. as long as you don't believe in the message you'll find any possible way out of it

Damn it, this is a Gore bashing thread. I am not against the message--I think a little conservation is a good thing in any event. However, I'm against Gore and his blatant hypocrisy. Hint: If it takes a small power plant to run your house, you're probably not helping out the environment no matter how many "carbon credits" you purchase. That's just bullshit to try to give more power and money to the government.

And despite what some of his defenders have said in this thread, there's a fucking canyon of middle ground between wearing hemp sandals, driving a vegetable oil powered car, etc., and living in a fucking palace that consumes enough power to to run a small country.

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Originally posted by ResonantDrag yes, it totally derails the point and should be stricken from the record

sorry dude, i'm just not gonna get sucked in to his whining about the "right wing noise machine" when clearly Al has no stake in the political advancement either the right or left inside the beltway. otherwise why would the right give a damn about Al other than to just criticeze his lifestyle. which, BTW, is what we're doing.

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Originally posted by Q5echo sorry dude, i'm just not gonna get sucked in to his whining about the "right wing noise machine" when clearly Al has no stake in the political advancement either the right or left inside the beltway.

And your "sources" clearly have no stake in giving two flying shits about environmentalism in the first place, so why bother arguing? Jesus, the fucking president of the smearboat think tank is from the ExxonMobile-run American Enterprise Institute. Yes, they obviously take stock in what any environmentalist has to say. You bet.

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otherwise why would the right give a damn about Al other than to just criticeze his lifestyle. which, BTW, is what we're doing.

And yet one has to ask WHY they are doing it. What is the point? A blind, deaf, and dumb man can understand their silly ad hominem attacks, one that's very similar to what the current GOP Noise Machine is accustomed to these days in order to discredit the source. They skip right over any attempt to debate the message, but instead go back and go after the source. Typical and sad.

So what exactly was wrong with Gore giving back carbon credits again? All his homes utilize this green power. Considering both he and his wife run their businesses out of their houses with numerous guests, staff, and business necessities, using flourescents, driving hybrids, living a carbon-neutral life, what exactly is the argument against them?

Maybe they should make the Navy pay for their electric bills, and thus the American taxpayers?:

http://media.www.michigandaily.com/...l-1408388.shtml

BTW, this is the kind of power Gore is purchasing:

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TVA and participating local public power companies, working with input from the environmental community, have created a program called Green Power Switch® to produce electricity from renewable sources and add it to the Tennessee Valley’s power mix ... Why does green power cost more? Because although renewable resources like sunlight and wind are free, the technology for capturing their energy is still more expensive than traditional power generation methods. By choosing to pay a little more for Green Power Switch, you help advance the technology and increase the amount of electricity generated from cleaner sources. The dollars from every block of green power you buy go directly back into Green Power Switch. http://www.tva.gov/greenpowerswitch/

The cost is approx. 30-40% more than normal. Of course that doesn't account for all his high costs, but again combined with living in a neutral carbon lifestyle, what is the actual "contradictory" argument against him again?

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Al Gore a hypocrite? OMG?! Did somebody steal the moon??

The Tennessean has more details:

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"As the spokesman of choice for the global warming movement, Al Gore has to be willing to walk (the) walk, not just talk the talk, when it comes to home energy use," said Drew Johnson, president of the Tennessee Center for Policy Research, identified as a free-market think tank. Gore's power bill shows, however, that the former vice president may be doing just that. Gore purchased 108 blocks of "green power" for each of the past three months, according to a summary of the bills. That's a total of $432 a month Gore paid extra for solar or other renewable energy sources. The green power Gore purchased in those three months is equivalent to recycling 2.48 million aluminum cans or 286,092 pounds of newspaper, according to comparison figures on NES' Web site. http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs...EWS01/702270382

But hey, of course that doesn't satisfy those darn environmentally friendly supporters of Al Gore who put out this hit piece from the American Enterprise Institute. We need to be sure to do everything to satisfy those green-lovin' folks.

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I yearn to shout,
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It's perfectly fine because he's buying his salvation. It is the American way, ya know.

The simple fact is that "green credits" or no, he's doing a lot more damage to the environment than probably 99% of the rest of the world, yet he's the golden boy of the environmentalist movement because he's raking in the dough for them. I thought you guys cared about the environment, but it seems you really just care about money like everyone else. Don't flatter yourselves.

Let me take this chance to say fuck Al Gore one more time. Gosh that feels good to say. FUCK YOU AL! I can call you Betty, and Betty when you call me you can call meeeee Al.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 And yet one has to ask WHY they are doing it. What is the point? A blind, deaf, and dumb man can understand their silly ad hominem attacks, one that's very similar to what the current GOP Noise Machine is accustomed to these days in order to discredit the source. They skip right over any attempt to debate the message, but instead go back and go after the source. Typical and sad.

Congratulations!
You figured out the hidden message!


...and why should we listen to a man who doesn't believe what he preaches again?

Correlation does not imply causation; it's that simple.

Logically graphs are used to fool and mislead the unwary.
Second there is no proven link. You are falling for a logical falacy.
Ice cream sales are highest in the summer. Crime is highest in the summer. Therefore ice cream cause crime.

A graph I would be more interested in seeing is one that measures ALL GREENHOUSE GASES vs temperture (H2O vapor, CO2, Methane, etc...).
The eruption of the volcano Krakatoa resulted in several years of global cooling as much as 1.2 degrees Celsius.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krakatoa
A single volcano changed the climate of the world DRAMATICALLY. Mother nature wields be big stick and man does not even approach the power of a single Krakatoa...

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 what is the actual "contradictory" argument against him again?

well, for starters since there is a finite supply of "green energy" from the TVA available (i believe it's around 10% of their total market) his collosal waste of what he uses takes away from the rest of the grid. to quote a "right wing noise machine"; "This is a zero-sum game, folks. The more of the 29 megawatts he uses the less there is for others to use, so he still looks really gluttonous.

Additionally, based upon the law of supply and demand, he drives up the price of this green energy, preventing others from using it because it becomes too cost prohibitive.

his one house alone is a contradiction of his terms.