yeah, what i meant was at a right angle, just confused myself between 90 and 45

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Originally posted by AnotherWay83 sumtimes i feel like i should do steroids, (never dun them) i mean just try them, i personally know ppl. who say its just awesum if dun rite, the pump and the gains are amazing, but u should know how to do it rite tho, like cycling it thru, in phases and stuff, not just like sum pills u take

ive heard from lifters that lifting on steroids gives you the results of 3 years lifting in 3 months....but steroids seriould f*ck you up if you do them improperly or even if you do them at all...my advice is stay away from them...cause that kind of muscle growth can do really bad things to you eg. muscle tears, stretch marks....supplements are a little safer creatine isnt too good for you..i think it screws with your liver...my brother occasionally uses phosphogen(i think thats how you spell it) and ive seen the results from that...if you work properly you get big fast....these things arent miracle drugs though you have to work hard every day to get results but after awhile it pays off...but the safest thing to do is to do it naturally which is what i do...if you do it properly for long enough you will get the results.....and someone said something regarding muscle loss and breakdown...it takes approx 3 weeks for natural muscle to break down if you do no work on it....so dont be scared to take a break every once in awhile...rest is a good thing ahh sleep...mmmmm sleep

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Originally posted by SmellsExcellent and i, too am a fuckin twig. anyways, i want to run a marathon sometime, at least one.

you need to be a twig for long distance running..

apart from that, there is one thing i learned about marathons:
it is _ALL_ in your head
if you want to do it -really want to do it- then you will, but believe me, after the first one, you will be hooked -at least i was- and i have NEVER felt as great as i did, when i finished in less than 3:30!! I was on a high for a week. The wednesday after (race on sunday) I was the happiest person ever, when i was running again.. for NO REASON

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Originally posted by OrZonE That seems to be the case with every supplement, naturally gained muscle mass takes MUCH longer to dimish, i've found that to be the case with all of my friends.

umm, i never take any supplements, but it took my body just about 7 weeks to rid itself of all the muscle i had gained over the summer.. i am such a hard gainer, it is rediculous. I work for like 2 months to get my tri-ceps curls up to like 75 lbs, but then i stop working out for just a tiny while and *puff* they are gone again *grrr* guess the running thing isn't really helping my uper body...

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First, either do a lot of running or bicycling. You need to clean your gut of excess fat, so that the muscles can show through it. Don't do just sit-ups, do crunches, do medicine ball holds (sit inverted on a sloped ramp, say 45 degrees, and just hold that position and throw a medicine ball back and forth with someone standing), do leg-ups (lay flat, lift your shoulders off the ground, followed by holding your legs up 18 inches off the ground. Hold for 15 seconds per rep, or more if your a baller).

that what i did, still people think i am fat.. 'cause i never do the leg-lifts... so i have a little tummy on the bottom and a sixpack on the top.. oh well..