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Originally posted by Inconspicuous everything's more goal-oriented. Like I said--forget about worksheets forever. I haven't done a single worksheet in college, other than on the first day of classes (what's your name & contact info). For computer stuff, you're basically writing stuff all the time--not reciting rules.

NICE. I heard from my mom that if she had homework, it wasnt checked, and it was mainly just to learn what you needed to learn for the test. I guess if it's a lot of writing and stuff, I'll enjoy it because it will keep me busy, and I'll actually feel like I'm getting somewhere instead of doing some stupid worksheet just to have the teacher hand me another. Thanks.

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Originally posted by Inconspicuous There are exceptions to every rule. Stay in school--especially if it's on your parents' dime.

Lol, my parents say that's another good thing about college. I live on my own and I don't have to pay for all the things I need. I think I'll enjoy most aspects of college, and I should probably just learn to crank through what I don't like and get it out of the way with.

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Originally posted by shiny one Also, I think I'd rather have a job that won't get me rich but will keep me happy, because I've met homeless people who are a lot happyer then some of the people making 500k a year.

Happiness and money are two totally different things that I believe people entangle to prove a point or make an excuse. I learned in a developmental psychology course that people often say these things because their mind is actually afraid of working hard so they come up with a reason not too (I think that's obviously very general but I agree with the overall content of it).

There's absolutely nothing wrong with being grateful for what you have...but as an individual you are designed to stretch yourself.

I've met plently of "happy" people who are multimillionares too. So what does that prove? It proves happiness as to do with the individual, not the equity.

Personally, it will give me peace of mind knowing that I have enough money to take care of my family, to travel and to live a lifestyle where I have enough capital to actually do something for others (like help build schools, fund charities, donate money to hospitals) as well as be prepared to leave something for my wife and kids if I pass away. That makes security makes me happy.

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Originally posted by Faj27 Happiness and money are two totally different things that I believe people entangle to prove a point or make an excuse. I learned in a developmental psychology course that people often say these things because their mind is actually afraid of working hard so they come up with a reason not too (I think that's obviously very general but I agree with the overall content of it). There's absolutely nothing wrong with being grateful for what you have...but as an individual you are designed to stretch yourself. I've met plently of "happy" people who are multimillionares too. So what does that prove? It proves happiness as to do with the individual, not the equity. Personally, it will give me peace of mind knowing that I have enough money to take care of my family, to travel and to live a lifestyle where I have enough capital to actually do something for others (like help build schools, fund charities, donate money to hospitals) as well as be prepared to leave something for my wife and kids if I pass away. That makes security makes me happy.

Well, you are happy because you don't seem to be selfish with your money. I think it's the people who are selfish with their money that don't tend to be happy. People who are rich AND have a lot of stuff seem to just want more to keep to themselves. Yes, money and happiness are two different thins, but I still think sometimes misery comes from selfishness.

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Originally posted by shiny one but I still think sometimes misery comes from selfishness.

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Originally posted by Faj27 exactly.

Yeah, I guess I should have said selfishness can go hand in hand with being unhappy. Sorry
I guess not all rich people are selfish, but I think they are a lot more likely to kind of keep what they have to themselves than people who know what it's like to not have enough money to get by.

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Originally posted by shiny one Well, you are happy because you don't seem to be selfish with your money. I think it's the people who are selfish with their money that don't tend to be happy. People who are rich AND have a lot of stuff seem to just want more to keep to themselves. Yes, money and happiness are two different thins, but I still think sometimes misery comes from selfishness.

it's always easier to be happy if you have money than if you don't, since more good (not having to worry about housing, health costs, food, providing for a family) than bad (self-loathing, guilt) can come from being wealthy. Any homeless person would take $500K in a moment's notice if you offered it to him. Why? Because he wouldn't have to worry about a million things he has to currently. If you can find happiness in nothing, good for you, but it's a hell of a lot easier when you have more to enjoy & less to worry about--like survival (self-actualization, anyone?).

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Originally posted by shiny one Yeah, I guess I should have said selfishness can go hand in hand with being unhappy. Sorry I guess not all rich people are selfish, but I think they are a lot more likely to kind of keep what they have to themselves than people who know what it's like to not have enough money to get by.

I'd argue that you're dead wrong. The more money you have, the easier it is to give away. The richest people in the world are also the ones who give away the most money. If you can't make your rent month-to-month, the chances that you'll be donating to the Salvation Army are pretty slim (in fact, you'd be quite moronic to do so).

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Originally posted by Inconspicuous it's always easier to be happy if you have money than if you don't, since more good (not having to worry about housing, health costs, food, providing for a family) than bad (self-loathing, guilt) can come from being wealthy. Any homeless person would take $500K in a moment's notice if you offered it to him. Why? Because he wouldn't have to worry about a million things he has to currently. If you can find happiness in nothing, good for you, but it's a hell of a lot easier when you have more to enjoy & less to worry about--like survival (self-actualization, anyone?).

Well, It all depends on if the homeless people have faith that they will be able to make it. Even if it's easy for a rich person to provide for themselves, it's also easy for them to spend a lot on themselves, and I think unhapiness kind of stems from focusing on just what you want.

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Originally posted by Inconspicuous I'd argue that you're dead wrong. The more money you have, the easier it is to give away. The richest people in the world are also the ones who give away the most money. If you can't make your rent month-to-month, the chances that you'll be donating to the Salvation Army are pretty slim (in fact, you'd be quite moronic to do so).

Well, the bible basically says that if you're rich, and you give 10%, but it's let's say 5 million dollars, that isn't as much as if a poor person gives away all they have even if it's only a dollar. Rich people might give a lot away, but that might just be to get more popular if they are already famous, and I don't think 10k would mean very much to someone who was making a few million a year.

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Originally posted by shiny one Well, It all depends on if the homeless people have faith that they will be able to make it. Even if it's easy for a rich person to provide for themselves, it's also easy for them to spend a lot on themselves, and I think unhapiness kind of stems from focusing on just what you want.

That's the representation of a psychological theory that relates to happiness. His (Maslow) theory is that before you can reach each higher plane, you must first satisfy all the requirements of the one below it. For instance, if you are starving and without shelter, you are not going to be in deep and meaningful introspection, or concerned about your interpersonal interaction. All your energy will go towards satisfying your need for food & shelter. Likewise, if you can not feel at peace with the stability of your family, you can not be concerned with the well-being of large groups of people whom you do not know.


The point is, with money, each one of those things is easier, and that first level is almost instantly wiped from consideration. True happiness comes all the way at the top, once you've begun to self-actualize (realize your full potential as a person), and if you're stuck fending for yourself to eat and survive, you'll never get there.

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Originally posted by shiny one Well, the bible basically says that if you're rich, and you give 10%, but it's let's say 5 million dollars, that isn't as much as if a poor person gives away all they have even if it's only a dollar. Rich people might give a lot away, but that might just be to get more popular if they are already famous, and I don't think 10k would mean very much to someone who was making a few million a year.

you're right. But they give away increasingly greater portions of their wealth (beyond the fact that their taxes already take bigger & bigger percentages of their income, which then get re-distributed throughout the lower levels--but that's another debate entirely). Hell, Bill Gates has given away something like 40 billion of his 60 billion dollars, and once he dies, it's all going to be gone, save for 1 million for each of his children. It's a lot easier to give away 2/3 of your money when that leaves you with 20 billion dollars than it is when it leaves you with 200.

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