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Originally posted by Cobalt Hmm, that's certainly not what my attempts to find decent trance in record stores has informed me. What labels with the strength and innovation of the late 90s can you suggest from the past five years? Because I can't think of any. Starting in late 2002, it seems to me that material became more and more difficult to find as it was progressively replaced by toss from Armada and Anjunabeats.

Digital Structures and Joof Recordings are examples if you're looking for fairly established labels. Personally i don't care much for labels unless they have a history of releasing mainly stuff i like. But labels come and go, perhaps more today than ever before, new labels pop up, some may not have released enough records to build a solid reputation. Many times i like a release on a label but don't care much for other releases on the same label. Labels are important but not nearly as important as the artists.

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Originally posted by SuspicionVandit some people have horrible tastes

and some people taste horribly

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Originally posted by CrazedOut Hmmmm.... then I'm guessin you taste like shit

genius. pure genius.

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Originally posted by sljiva You still don't get it? Trance is not dead literally. Trance is dead because it stoped evolving, the creativity is gone and the producers who are doing something innovative and fresh are very rare and lost in a sea of crappiness. That's more than enough for some people to declare it's dead.

Hey,

well then Hip Hop died too, right? And House, and all? Music just repeats itself over and over for years, electronic music just grew up.

And listening to music from 1995 and 2000 and 2003/2004 and 2007 shows me clearly a huge difference in producing music. Trance is getting an older style of music now, so innovations clearly wille be rare, and the more music styles spread over the world, the less innovation will go to each class of style. Thats it, in my opinion. So to say, i would clearly not say trance is dead, i would just say other styles of music became famous too, and trance is not that famous anymore. That is how things go. :-) But then again, counting Trance / Techno / House / Progressive as one thing, the thing it was before 2000, then.. i am pretty sure its all but dead :-) It opened itself, and this is the best thing an evolving organism does, eh, produce childs.

Despite that taste changes a little, and opinions, you get experience in what you listened "you hear repeated melodies in different songs" things get less interesting and you say they are dead.

Its not like with the 70's and 80's or 60's, its not such an accurate exact same style of music, the music of these times did not change too much, it just sounded very similiar. Now Techno spread itself into trance, into house, and progressive, maybe breakbeat and what so ever.

Influences come from everywhere and get build in as the more people listen to djs from other countries.

Its widely affected why this happened. Earlier in time things were less global, now they are extremely global, and the fact internet is there and everyebody can listen to so much music just spreads more and more!

Internet allows you to listen to more style of music
this way you get influenced as a dj, and produce different music,
others get the same, and thus everybody changes and music it self too.
Therefore it evolved, and still does.

Still there is this little basic called "trance" , i would call house progressive and hardtrance and trance and techno all together as "trance".

Despite that you can not expect people to produce the same kind of music for years, they will change, they are the same people!! that MUST change.

A next step for trance could be to implement more pop / rock / metall music into trance, mixing styles up and slowing them together.

After all trance is just a set of music tones and vocal voices you can put together in a non heard way, you just cant do much new things but arrange beats and things new, sounding just a tiny little different from what a good listener ever heard. How could this develop more?
Add more tones, more voices, and thats it, haha! No, evolving would be to mash with other music styles, just as in life you gotta have sex with someone else to produce someone new.

Playing mashups is not really evolving the style!
So just mix styles of different generes of music, and add a few trance into it, a bit progressive, a little house and a tiny techno element, having so many options you clearly can evolve trance, into another form.

But trance (without progressive, house, etc..) itself will actually never change, all that changes are tones / vocals. But trance itself will never do, only the producers programs!

With a drum you can just drum, so it is with trance, with its set of tones and melodies and all, you can just do the same again and again in a different manner. After 2000 i think there was a little step in music production , tahts why it changed, but since that? Just different melodie and sound sets, not a single innovation.

So much for that.

Trance can not die, all it can do is not being played anymore.
Evolving of trance is just due to producers set of tones / melodies.

Unless noone ever changes 4/4 to 6/4 or 7/4 or 3/4 we will not hear
too much of innovation ;o)

or mix trance with pop rock metall and all that, that is innovation, if you are good at it :-)

I really don't see how that makes it dead. Plenty of artists are still innovative. Although agreed Tiesto is killin it.

Was it Ferry Corsten... in the Conservatory... with the Supersaw?

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Originally posted by Purple I always thought Ferry killed trance cos someone posted that before.. but recently I heard his album LEF and I don't think he could have killed it. He dosent have that bend of mind. People killed trance when they started calling house as trance.

alot of trance fans who were in the scene in the early 90's believe that, because he basically carried the progressive and anthem trance scene and trance stopped being wat is was when it started. so in that sense he did kill it but imo it was still quality, after 2001 then it started to decline in quality, mainly because of avb and tiesto imo. but it still isnt fucking dead lol

base causes

- The rise of the internet/mass filesharing
- surburban white america influenced by tiesto/darude/oakenfold, etc
- loss of early 90s youth culture to culture of decadence and instant gratification and youtube

catalysts

- borders/chain store music sections/ commercial comps
- asot
- concert-style headliner events (summerstage, armin only, etc)

I would call it death as well, but maybe so everyone is on the same page it's better to call it a transformation.

This transformation can be looked at in many ways based on bias. For me the transformation of proper "trance" music into current "trance" music, is a sort of death indeed, the death of ideals, of culture, of sound, of musical values. What "trance" is currently is usually devoid of anything trance-inducing and more about the 'banger', the 'ch00n', and all of the melodrama that ensues... I have found seeing armin or pvd live a very unpleasant experience because I am always painfully aware of the reality of the concert/fist pump/fan boy orgy and the music doesn't let me lose myself.

What we are dealing with here I feel is more a result of a cultural change, and who is to blame is this new culture, and then the DJs and producers who began to sell their sound to this 'market'. It is a two way system of the transformation of the massive into the market and the iconoclast into the consumer.

Some of this new asot prog sound that comes out honestly has more to do with Target commercials and minivans than the counter-culture energy that permeated early trance clubs like e-werk and tresor, and of course things like love parade.

I believe you will understand that trance is essentially "dead", or let's say its children have eclipsed and effectively rubbed it out, if you watch these videos in sequence. Try to think about the "message" and the "meaning" in the videos and the music - they are directly related to cultural values.

[[ LINK REMOVED ]]

Major themes and imagery of video:
- Rotating computer-generated solids and landscape fly-overs
- Fall of the berlin wall
- Urban landscape/political landscape
- Community, cultural unity
- Empowerment of music as a force that embodies cultural ideas of unity, tolerance, futurism, and progressive values
- universal "tribal" ritual

particularly watch the mijk van dijk live part. god i would kill to have been a part of that

Trance?
Major themes and imagery of video:
- Scantily-clad women (objectified)
- Asses
- High Heels
- (s)Excess
- Objectifcation of music vis-a-vis "hit" radio track/anthem

Some things of course are still shared - PvD has always been melodic/anthemic, but the difference is when he was doing it in the early 90s it was not yet a commodity and also it was still more or less new. The vestiges of this culture still remain here today, but I hope you can realize that the ideals which shaped trance music are pretty much dead...

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Originally posted by spc Was it Ferry Corsten... in the Conservatory... with the Supersaw?

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Originally posted by nefardec base causes - The rise of the internet/mass filesharing - surburban white america influenced by tiesto/darude/oakenfold, etc - loss of early 90s youth culture to culture of decadence and instant gratification and youtube catalysts - borders/chain store music sections/ commercial comps - asot - concert-style headliner events (summerstage, armin only, etc) I would call it death as well, but maybe so everyone is on the same page it's better to call it a transformation. This transformation can be looked at in many ways based on bias. For me the transformation of proper "trance" music into current "trance" music, is a sort of death indeed, the death of ideals, of culture, of sound, of musical values. What "trance" is currently is usually devoid of anything trance-inducing and more about the 'banger', the 'ch00n', and all of the melodrama that ensues... I have found seeing armin or pvd live a very unpleasant experience because I am always painfully aware of the reality of the concert/fist pump/fan boy orgy and the music doesn't let me lose myself. What we are dealing with here I feel is more a result of a cultural change, and who is to blame is this new culture, and then the DJs and producers who began to sell their sound to this 'market'. It is a two way system of the transformation of the massive into the market and the iconoclast into the consumer. Some of this new asot prog sound that comes out honestly has more to do with Target commercials and minivans than the counter-culture energy that permeated early trance clubs like e-werk and tresor, and of course things like love parade. I believe you will understand that trance is essentially "dead", or let's say its children have eclipsed and effectively rubbed it out, if you watch these videos in sequence. Try to think about the "message" and the "meaning" in the videos and the music - they are directly related to cultural values. [[ LINK REMOVED ]] Major themes and imagery of video: - Rotating computer-generated solids and landscape fly-overs - Fall of the berlin wall - Urban landscape/political landscape - Community, cultural unity - Empowerment of music as a force that embodies cultural ideas of unity, tolerance, futurism, and progressive values - universal "tribal" ritual particularly watch the mijk van dijk live part. god i would kill to have been a part of that Trance? Major themes and imagery of video: - Scantily-clad women (objectified) - Asses - High Heels - (s)Excess - Objectifcation of music vis-a-vis "hit" radio track/anthem Some things of course are still shared - PvD has always been melodic/anthemic, but the difference is when he was doing it in the early 90s it was not yet a commodity and also it was still more or less new. The vestiges of this culture still remain here today, but I hope you can realize that the ideals which shaped trance music are pretty much dead...

wats the song playing at the start of the first clip??

I say lock this type of "who killed trance" threads from now on. most people post worthless comments anyways.









































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