The UK is a smaller sized country than the US, so genres with relatively small followings can flourish there, due to the fact that the entire Gabber community for Ex. can drive/hop a train to any part of the country quickly for that one Gabber event that's going on. In the US, if there's a Gabber party in say San Francisco, then all of us Americans on the east coast are going to miss out because its a lot harder to go across the country here than in the UK.

So...you guys over in the UK have a more diverse music scene by default, because its easier to cultivate a small following for whatever.

Beat Blog: Hardcore isn't THAT bad. Every style of music has its place, and I know if I ever get extremely hammered I want to go off to some Lisa Lashes type Hard House, and not Ambient

PS How do you dance to tracks around 1000BPM? Can CDJs even read 4-digit BPMs?

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Deathcore is the most horrible thing I've ever heard. I'm mainly into Psy/Goa/Progressive trance myself however I think theres defenitly a place for 145+bpm tracks but over 200 is just being stupid. I defenitly don't approve of anything hardcore on the speed ratings.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog Correct. I'm ashamed that those scenes are big in Melbourne. Pretty much anything over 145 BPM is a load of shit, and shouldn't be classified as music, as it has no thought behind it, other than to be "hard".

whats even more concerning thats happening in melbourne these harder people are getting booked and then they book one non hardish
dj...

look at the latest parties
ronski speed, kyau and albert.. the rest just hard shit

DONKEY ROLLERS (live), tyas, jowan, bas and ram, A*S*Y*S vs. HELLRAISER, dj zany

and another one
Mac & Mac + Talla2XLC + Combichrist (LIVE) + Tydi

what annoys me is a few years ago a crew booked marco v and they told him he had to play hard, it was a 3 hour set and he was like fuck you and the last hour was just pure trance anthems, cafe del mar, for an angel ect...
DJ's are forced to play shit they wouldnt usually play,
then the melbourne crowd that likes that dj (ME) gets disappointed because they arent playing what you expected.

Interesting topic. I wonder, if you take away the drugs, would you have the attendance?

It would appear that trance (be it hard, fairy or other) will always be associated with substance abuse, hence its bad rep here in Aus.

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A lot of good arguements in this post.

First off, my opinion on the thread title. I think, as was already stated, the fact that the European clubbing style is heavily influenced by people who go clubbing to get either pissed drunk or out of their heads on drugs and listen to relative music for people in that state i.e. edm, has a lot to do with the contrast in styles. I do think that in the US, there is more of a focus on relaxation and chatting up women/men rather than a drinking/drugs culture. But I also think that because the edm scene isnt as prominent in the US as it is in Europe, it is very difficult for harder styles of edm to have an impact on clubbing culture. The majority of clubs, if not all, are purely run to make profits i.e. entrance fees and drink receipts, so obvioulsy the more people the better. So with edm already being a fairly underground style of music in the US, not many clubs are gonna book a hardstyle DJ to play in their club...they will book an R'n'B DJ, Chart DJ etc...so if there are dance events, it is going to be a softer, more general & mainstream orientated format of edm i.e. house, progressive etc.

Another thing that people may have missed is the respective laws in relation to alcohol. On average across Europe, the age at which you are allowed drink alcohol and enter clubs is 18....21 in the US. Obviously the music in clubs will have to reflect this...a huge level of 'musical maturity' happens within 3 years, even look at the music being played at teenage discos in comparison with over 18/21 clubs. So inevitably i think the clubs in the US (in general terms, im not saying all clubs) will have a more matured, slower style of edm....again i.e. most forms of house, prog etc.

Obviously my opinion, and the thread as a whole, is a massive generalisation. EDM culture can be found all over the world, with respective genres found in some shape or form, so i dont necessarily think that the US is 'all softer edm compared to Europe'. Although it must be said that certain genres are rare in parts...I love progressive music but its near to impossible to find a progressive night here in Dublin (if anyone knows of any, let me know )....but again thats just down to the lack of popularity that the genre has here, or to be more correct, the lack of risk the club owners are willing to take, but thats neither here nor there. In the end it all comes down to supply and demand, and the demand of the European clubbers (over 18, drink & drug culture etc) is for faster club music whereas the demand for US clubbers (over 21, aiming to get 'hooked up' etc )is for a more mainstream, slower dance music.

Also, I agree with Beat Blog on the arguement regarding hardcore/hardstyle music. I beleive that there is a very limited amount of talent involved in producing a track in these genres. The whole structure and production styles of these genres result in a lot of the songs elements being cancelled out/drowned out by other elements. I read a post from someone stating that 'just because an element is drowned out, it doesnt mean its not there'....well it sort of defeats the purpose then doesnt it?! What is the point in having a certain element in a song if you cant hear it?!

Anyway, good thread

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I'm a bit late in replying to the long post above mine, but I do want to mention a couple of points.

Drinking/partying age is irrelevant. American teenagers still by and large listen to softer, slower, commercial pop music than their European counterparts, so it's not an age issue. Go to any European forum and you'll see 15- and 16-year-old Europeans downloading Hardstyle in huge numbers. The music that Americans download is so different, we could just as well be talking about two different planets.

You're also wrong when you say that 'EDM is not popular in the US'. What a cliche, and how wrong it is! Americans are now obsessed with EDM and the clubs attract well-known DJs and big crowds. Actually, I'd even say DJs like Armin and Tiesto have a bigger following here than they do over in Europe.

BUT, the EDM that Americans listen to is light years away from the EDM that many Europeans listen to: it's more airy, beachy, soft, and mellow; hardstyle is virtually unheard of.

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You've gotta be joking. First, America loves house. House is by far the most popular kind of four-on-the-floor dance music here.

But when it comes to trance, probably 90%+ of people where I live will only listen to the hard stuff. Almost nobody listens to what people on this forum would call "soft" or "euphoric" trance.

When I was in Europe in November, I was partying at Noxx in Antwerp, Mason was spinning a sick set. Was dancing with these dutch girls who were like "I can't dance to this, it's too slow." I was like, "oh, you like trance then?", and they responded with "no we hate trance, only hardstyle".

Things you'd never see in North America =P

on a side note, WTB ticket back to Antwerp, Noxx was fucking awesome.

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Originally posted by Sean Walsh When I was in Europe in November, I was partying at Noxx in Antwerp, Mason was spinning a sick set. Was dancing with these dutch girls who were like "I can't dance to this, it's too slow." I was like, "oh, you like trance then?", and they responded with "no we hate trance, only hardstyle". Things you'd never see in North America =P

that sounds right!

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Originally posted by nchs09 there are no hardcore/speedcore/terror parties here but i think thats a good thing

Mostly Florida breaks here..

BTW @ Beat blog

Whats your opinion of Drum and Bass?

I mean its high BPM (170-180) yet the harder tracks are reasonable... and it has softer tracks as well (mmm liquid funk).

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