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Originally posted by nchs09 jesus, too fucking much get creative with a set? just fucking start producing seriously..

But some producers like to do what is called a "live set" ...

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And most producers shouldn't try to

why is that?

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Because it winds up sounding like a huge mess!

Live is great, but just because you CAN remix every track and loop and do effect doesn't mean you have to. Resulting in most people just mixing track to track... which means they shouldn't really be using Live

Then there are those uber-talented people who are absolutely amazing with it.

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Originally posted by Inertia why is that?

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Originally posted by Demoted

All this stuff looks cool. I'm reading through I Was A Robot by Wolfgang Flur (ex Kraftwerk) & he talks about how they built their own equipment like drumkits with photoelectric cells to trigger sounds, plus built (and modified) instruments as computers or music keyboards weren't readily available. Interestingly he says at one point in the early 80's they (Kraftwerk) got their hands on the very latest most expensive bit of cutting edge kit & they spent more time reading up on how the thing worked than they did playing around & experimenting with it which he said led them to become less creative.

Looking at these bespoke items I can see it could be easy for the user to feel overawed by them!

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 Because it winds up sounding like a huge mess! Live is great, but just because you CAN remix every track and loop and do effect doesn't mean you have to. Resulting in most people just mixing track to track... which means they shouldn't really be using Live Then there are those uber-talented people who are absolutely amazing with it.

i agree with that, but i think the poster was referring to producers doing liveshows, ie. only playing their own material.

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Is there such a thing anymore?

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Originally posted by Inertia i agree with that, but i think the poster was referring to producers doing liveshows, ie. only playing their own material.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 Is there such a thing anymore?

What the fuck? You're joking, right?

Yes and no. Think about it.

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Originally posted by idoru What the fuck? You're joking, right?

some guys do some great fucking original liveshows.

check out Alex Under doing his shizzle. fucking great. you can ID his tracks in it, but its like one huge ass megamix.

i think Ableton is best used for these cases. unless you're Richie Hawtin and people send you their tracks + the loops to build the tracks as well so you can fuck around too, plain old Ableton mixing gets boring.

controllers like the Monodeck II are more for live production than using Ableton as a "special turntable".

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Yeah I think it's totally great for people like that.

My concern is all the moderately good DJ's who feel the need to get Ableton because people like them are using it. You really have to look at what your capabilities are and if it's really warranted.

There's still NOTHING wrong with rocking a party on 2 decks and a mixer!

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Originally posted by Inertia some guys do some great fucking original liveshows. check out Alex Under doing his shizzle. fucking great. you can ID his tracks in it, but its like one huge ass megamix. i think Ableton is best used for these cases. unless you're Richie Hawtin and people send you their tracks + the loops to build the tracks as well so you can fuck around too, plain old Ableton mixing gets boring. controllers like the Monodeck II are more for live production than using Ableton as a "special turntable".

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 Yeah I think it's totally great for people like that. My concern is all the moderately good DJ's who feel the need to get Ableton because people like them are using it. You really have to look at what your capabilities are and if it's really warranted. There's still NOTHING wrong with rocking a party on 2 decks and a mixer!

Exactly. I can understand using Ableton for just home use as a DJ'ing tool for just track by track. That's all good and well. But if you're going to spin out and go, "Hey look at me, I'm using Ableton!" then please, do something with it that's more than just track by track with the occasional effect or two-track mash-up.