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Ian
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: UK

quote:
Originally posted by Darkarbiter
Nothing wrong with that. I love how the tune is in the melody.


I never said there was anything wrong with it There's times when I'm screaming out for something different but there's a select few artists who deliver that & keep me happy

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Darkarbiter
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Registered: Mar 2007
Location: Melbourne

quote:
Originally posted by Ian
I never said there was anything wrong with it There's times when I'm screaming out for something different but there's a select few artists who deliver that & keep me happy

Sorry I qouted you but was refering to the other guy


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SYSTEM-J
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quote:
Originally posted by Darkarbiter
Sorry I qouted you but was refering to the other guy


I didn't say it was a bad thing, I was pointing it out because it's the easiest way to ID something as psy. That said, I do think it's a bad thing, because it becomes extremely repetitive very quickly, and there's no good reason to rehash the same element across a genre.


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Darkarbiter
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Registered: Mar 2007
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quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I didn't say it was a bad thing, I was pointing it out because it's the easiest way to ID something as psy. That said, I do think it's a bad thing, because it becomes extremely repetitive very quickly, and there's no good reason to rehash the same element across a genre.

Well I think different songs are good but I don't really become annoyed by the fact that a song has a padded kick and then 2 synth base notes (you know what I'm talking about). It sounds far better then hardstyle with just kick anyway. Certainly songs such as say Infected mushroom songs who don't use this and sound unique are great. Just saying not really annoyed by it or find it repetitive.


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eRRaTiK
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somebody post a good Goa mix and Psy mix kthxbye.


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Ian
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: UK

quote:
Originally posted by eRRaTiK
somebody post a good Goa mix and Psy mix kthxbye.


the obvious goa ones are Oakenfolds 1994 essential mixes. Man With No Name has also done one iirc. Psy wise, check out j00f or Kristian. A lot of psy is in the form of live acts moreso than DJing although there's some good ta psy djs here, like ste, kr00t & j:/digital amongst others

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Philby
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Location: Melbourne, Australia

quote:
Originally posted by eRRaTiK
somebody post a good Goa mix and Psy mix kthxbye.


download the mix by ben and sasha petrovic in the aussie promo whore thread


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Faust_UA
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Registered: Jan 2006
Location: Kiev, Ukraine

quote:
Originally posted by PETRAN
Faust_UA and Ian, the think is, that, if you noticed, your "Psy" reccomendations were most (if not all) coming from post-millenium artists, and the sound that you suggest as "Psy" is what i call the more full-on post-millenium iron-trance which wasn't so evident in the 90s(or i think didn't exist at all...perhaps Ololiuqui was somehow close but...). What you propose as a strict universal goa-psy difference is nothing more then the one and only genre's revolution in time, branching in various directions and sounds IMO.

Yes, I've noticed that almost all of my examples of psy tracks were from post-millenium period. I did it meaningly because post-millenium psy trance differentiated from goa more strongly than late 90's psy. Well, I can name tracks that were released after 2005 and which I consider as goa trance (Filteria, Afgin, Ka-Sol, Radical Distortion stuff). At the same time I can name some of late 90's tracks which I consider as psy trance (Killing Joke - Love Like Blood (Deedrah Remix), Four Carry Nuts - Total Recall, Planet B.E.N. - Daily Delay). IMO goa and psy trance have been evolving simultaneously from the late 90's when psy trance differentiated from goa trance till the present day.

It's all about the level of differentiation. The differentiation between trance and blues is deeper than between goa trance and psy trance. The differentiation between psy and goa trance IMO is deeper than between dark psy and full on trance (which I consider as the subgenres of psy). At the same time goa and psy trance have less distinctins than, for example, goa and progressive trance.

quote:
Faust_UA, i don't think that Hallucinogen fit well with Astrix, Skazi and Xenomorph, not at all. I can't see how someone can't group Hallucinogen with Total Eclipse and Man With No Name since they had an almost identical sound back in the day! They were almost always featured in each Psy/Goa compilation with those names anyway. Have you heard Hallucinogen's "Twisted" album? Its full of layers and acid-lines and lead-lines and everything. Ofcourse every artist has his/her/their own style.

I'm not talking about all the Hallucinogen tracks, just about tracks like Gamma Goblins (Part 2), Snarling (Remix), Magik that are quite unpredictable and have ragged structure - IMO they are the main characteristics which distinguish psy and goa trance. Although leading samples in these tracks may sound closer to Total Eclipse, Man With No Name stuff, than to Xenomorph or Skazi tracks, the whole unpredictable structure of these tracks make them more psy trance tnan goa. Agree that tracks on Twisted album have more common with goa trance than with psychedelic.


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rustyryan
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OK OK.. people have been giving a few math-related equations for goa and psy in this thread.. lets see if we can make some sense of them:

quote:
Originally posted by s3nate
Goa = Hippies + acid + drum machines + synths
...
Psytrance = Robots on LSD with drum machines and synths


quote:
Originally posted by Xenocreator_PG_
psy trance = awesome when tripping
goa trance = awesome when tripping


and here's a little something i'll add, which I think most can agree with...

lsd = acid

1. goa = hippies + acid + drum machines + synths
2. psy = robots + lsd + drum machines + synths
3. acid = lsd
4. psy = awesome when tripping = goa

goa = hippies + lsd + drum machines + synths
goa = psy - robots + hippies

... ok, but i think we can be more descriptive.. lets probe a little deeper...

from eq 4, we have psy = goa.. thus we get

goa = goa - robots + hippies, or

robots = hippies

that's more like it.


so really


goa = psy
robots = hippies
acid = lsd

that's all this thread has to offer.


...

what?


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Aaron C.
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quote:
Originally posted by rustyryan
OK OK.. people have been giving a few math-related equations for goa and psy in this thread.. lets see if we can make some sense of them:





and here's a little something i'll add, which I think most can agree with...

lsd = acid

1. goa = hippies + acid + drum machines + synths
2. psy = robots + lsd + drum machines + synths
3. acid = lsd
4. psy = awesome when tripping = goa

goa = hippies + lsd + drum machines + synths
goa = psy - robots + hippies

... ok, but i think we can be more descriptive.. lets probe a little deeper...

from eq 4, we have psy = goa.. thus we get

goa = goa - robots + hippies, or

robots = hippies

that's more like it.


so really


goa = psy
robots = hippies
acid = lsd

that's all this thread has to offer.


...

what?


Actually originally the point of the thread was for anyone and everyone to point out GOA producers that make GOA similar to that wich Oakenfold was known for playing back in the day.


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It would be insteresting to find some House tracks with GOA influence.


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PETRAN
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Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Volos, Greece

quote:
Originally posted by rustyryan
OK OK.. people have been giving a few math-related equations for goa and psy in this thread.. lets see if we can make some sense of them:





and here's a little something i'll add, which I think most can agree with...

lsd = acid

1. goa = hippies + acid + drum machines + synths
2. psy = robots + lsd + drum machines + synths
3. acid = lsd
4. psy = awesome when tripping = goa

goa = hippies + lsd + drum machines + synths
goa = psy - robots + hippies

... ok, but i think we can be more descriptive.. lets probe a little deeper...

from eq 4, we have psy = goa.. thus we get

goa = goa - robots + hippies, or

robots = hippies

that's more like it.


so really


goa = psy
robots = hippies
acid = lsd

that's all this thread has to offer.


...

what?




Thats fucking genious. Thats exactly what i was trying to say really!!! (but in gross verbal statements...). Your formal ways leave no room for debate though dear genious TA! Thanks for formally "integrating these two forces" which were seperated for so many years due to "naive" and grossly subjective categorisation! Psy and Goa will never be the same again...

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