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seanjj
Senior tranceaddict
Registered: Sep 2006
Location: sydney
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wat a good bye to Mr blair...
2 unsuccessful attempts...shame on them they must be some suicide fresh pussy!
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Jul-02-2007 00:00
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Batman84
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Registered: Apr 2006
Location:
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i'm going to scotland with the wife in a month, hopefully things cool down by then.
side note:
also we are flying globespan, which is the airline that has had to have the same plane turn around twice due to a failed engine.
yay
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Jul-02-2007 16:27
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DigiNut
You kids get off my lawn!

Registered: Dec 2002
Location: Toronto, Self-proclaimed Centre of the Universe
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| quote: | Originally posted by Provocative_boi
Well to be honest this isnt what Islam teaches that you go and kill people.These ******s who go and do these horrific acts and kill people are twisting and turning the actual teachings of Islam and making it seem as if there doing good. |
Not really in the mood to debate this at length, but what you're saying simply isn't true. The literal text of the Qu'ran does prescribe the death penalty for atheists if they refuse to convert (Christians and Jews get to live but get saddled with dhimmitude), and in true theocracies such as Saudi Arabia, this is practiced openly by the government.
Yes, those same death provisions are also in Leviticus, but other religions have later religious law that abrogates them (death of Christ + New Testament for Christians, destruction of the second temple + Talmud for Jews). In Islamic law - and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here - there are no religious provisions that can override those verses. If anything, the later suras would override the earlier ones, and the later ones are the "violent" ones. Christianity also has a central authority (the pope, duh) which unilaterally decides the "law", Islam does not (various Imams scattered across the globe).
Obviously, most Muslims don't read those verses literally. I understand that. The point is that a devout Muslim has no basis within the religion to dispute jihad. All they can say is that they simply choose not to follow that part of it, or don't take it literally and would prefer peaceful persuasion. Or they can try to claim that the earlier suras are more important, but that's something that would be open to debate among religious scholars in any religion.
I understand what it's like to have nutcases all over the world committing horrific acts and claiming that they did it on your behalf. You don't want to be associated with them in any way. That's perfectly reasonable. But it doesn't add anything to the discussion to insist that they're "twisting" the religion - they're actually not, and it's simply dishonest to say otherwise.
Again, if I'm wrong, please feel free to show me an authoritative religious source and explain why it's authoritative (i.e. don't just quote an earlier sura).
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Jul-02-2007 23:08
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