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Originally posted by OurManFlint The Meaning of life=To reproduce

What role does art, music, knowledge of mathematics, or morality play in our survival if any? Is knowledge of mathematics essential to survival of the fittest?

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Originally posted by Omega_M Today's age of technology is a direct effect of the works of mathematicians and physicists who themselves were first rated philosophers. Physicists from Galileo, Newton down to Einstein and Neil's Bohr were interested primarily in understanding the workings of the universe. Mathematicians like René Descartes, Laplace, Pascal were all motived by philosophical thought. Works of these great philosophers helped bring in the age of technology. Leave aside the technology aspect. Who were responsible for developing the various forms of governments and the economies ? People today are being motivated by philosophies of men who lived until about 50-60 years ago. In my opinion, it takes time for a philosophy to affect the world and the effects are seen well after the philosopher's death. Today the society is driven by information technology. Globalization is changing the way people think. But there is still a fundamental need for philosophers, who provide what I will call "thought leadership" to the society. They are the fountainhead of ideas that affect the society. Ordinary men who have access to information, by themselves, cannot provide this type of a robust thought-structure on which the society can move forward.

Well said.

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Originally posted by Krypton What role does art, music, knowledge of mathematics, or morality play in our survival if any? Is knowledge of mathematics essential to survival of the fittest?

Good question. I'm leaning toward yes, at least in a gradually shifting sense as time goes on.

nothing has meaning.

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange nothing has meaning.

Well someone's a bit emo today!

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange nothing has meaning.

You may be right. Quantum Physics theorizes that something can come from nothing, though I can't tell you exactly how off the top of my head. Nothingness definately has some meaning.

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Originally posted by Krypton You may be right. Quantum Physics theorizes that something can come from nothing, though I can't tell you exactly how off the top of my head. Nothingness definately has some meaning.

If anybody is interested in reading further on this topic, check out

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=47804

Those guys are hard core.

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Originally posted by Krypton You may be right. Quantum Physics theorizes that something can come from nothing, though I can't tell you exactly how off the top of my head. Nothingness definately has some meaning.

Well the idea is that everything exists in every possible state until it comes in contact with something else, at which point they become connected.

i think that with contemplation most people come up with the answer that there is no meaning. the universe is absurd and has no meaning. what is the meaning of the stars? or a nebula? they just are. and thus you come to the conclusion that the question 'what is the meaning of life' isn't the question to be asked at all, but rather 'who am I' because for you to have a meaning for living, you must be a subject.. but who is that subject? modern science gives no answers as to consciousness.

this i believe is the correct question to be asking. who is the person asking the question

to me, the questions are one in the same. the point is to figure out who you truly are. to seek the truth

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this is it.

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Originally posted by Haunted i think that with contemplation most people come up with the answer that there is no meaning. the universe is absurd and has no meaning. what is the meaning of the stars? or a nebula? they just are. and thus you come to the conclusion that the question 'what is the meaning of life' isn't the question to be asked at all, but rather 'who am I' because for you to have a meaning for living, you must be a subject.. but who is that subject? modern science gives no answers as to consciousness. this i believe is the correct question to be asking. who is the person asking the question to me, the questions are one in the same. the point is to figure out who you truly are. to seek the truth

The ultimate question isn't "Who am I?". It's "Is there an inherent purpose in the universe." The simple fact that the majority of people subsribe to some form of religion attests that most people after contemplation actually DO believe in an ultimate meaning to all existance. Now where people differ is what that ultimate meaning is, or if your a naturalist such as yourself, there is no meaning, but this is by no means a majority world view.

Seeking the truth doesn't help one if the truth they so found is false. Relative truth is logically a farce. Truth is all absolute.

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Originally posted by Krypton Seeking the truth doesn't help one if the truth they so found is false. Relative truth is logically a farce. Truth is all absolute.

Especially since there's no such thing as truth, without first having a foundation of assumption.

That means, assumed by past humans... which means, potentially (likely?) flawed.