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Originally posted by George Smiley Fuck me the dollar has REALLY increased in value lately!!!

Smart arse lol the million was inferred and you know it.

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Originally posted by Dervish Ever heard of >Whisky<? Russia in 2004 bought £30 million ($60 US) worth of it. The small distillery from my home town (8000 people) which is one of the very least well known gets 60,000 search hits on Goggle. Russia is an impressive place, but it also has alot of problems. I really don't think the average person would prefer to live there rather than in the UK though....

Yeah, yeah ... I heard of it, and its good judging by what my Canadian friends say (though Canadians are very proud about their liquor). I am not a drinker though, because too many Russians drink themselves to death every year, too much alcohol. Take no offense in my reply to Callaghan, it was only meant for him, thats why I added that last paragraph ... Russia's is in tough shape, but they're working hard lately making it a better place to live, believe me. Its a lot of work, a lot more to do ...

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why even give these two Russians the satisfaction of arguing?? Just quash this thread. It serves no purpose but the "My dog can beat up your Dog" mentality. I mean if Russia is so great, why do these two live in other countries?? They live in other countries cause they seek to benefit from what Russia Can't give them. A LIFE.

That right there should speak volumes and should serve as a measuring stick when they start to spout off their tripe about how great their Mother Russia is.

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Originally posted by LazFX why even give these two Russians the satisfaction of arguing?? Just quash this thread. It serves no purpose but the "My dog can beat up your Dog" mentality. I mean if Russia is so great, why do these two live in other countries?? They live in other countries cause they seek to benefit from what Russia Can't give them. A LIFE. That right there should speak volumes and should serve as a measuring stick when they start to spout off their tripe about how great their Mother Russia is.

This is not a thread about Russia vs. UK and where the life standards are better, doofis, because DUH in UK life standards are higher. This thread is about justice, common sense and the situation arounf Lugovoi and Litvinenko, Berezovsky and people like you who lack any point or lack strong argument try to find an excuse to go personal and blame other participants of stupid and non-related subjects ... just because way of life in Russia is not as good as in UK, does that make Russia guilty of this incident as well? Get a brain.

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Its so obvious that the British government is stupid here ... they refuse even to try Lugovoi in Russia:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/6901847.stm

"'Extremely disappointing'

The UK has the right to request Mr Lugovoi be tried in Russia, but the UK's director of public prosecutions, Sir Ken Macdonald, has already turned down the offer.

Mr Miliband said Moscow's refusal to extradite Mr Lugovoi had been "extremely disappointing" and said both the UN and EU had reported concerns the law in Russia was applied selectively. "
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Law applied selectively???? How the hell are Constitutional rights applied selectively??? There is only one Constitution in Russia, Constitutional law, it cant be applied selectively because its GUARANTEED to ALL its citizens, which British government doesnt respect nor understand and refuse to accept. Bloody fools.

This is obviously a political game to win political support at home and wage a war against Russia that will not be victorious ... and not Russia's fault. Because Russia is trying to co-operate, while British government and prosecutors are politicizing the case and have failed to produce proof or common sense in this situation.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Law applied selectively???? How the hell are Constitutional rights applied selectively??? There is only one Constitution in Russia, Constitutional law, it cant be applied selectively because its GUARANTEED to ALL its citizens, which British government doesnt respect nor understand and refuse to accept. Bloody fools.

Christ man! Why can you not accept any criticism of Russia?! How have you managed to get it into your head that Russia is some kind of beckon of light that can do no wrong?! Investigations by the EU and UN have found that Russian law is suspect yet you're so blinded by this image you've invented in your head that you just pass ignore it and refuse to accept it!

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This is obviously a political game to win political support at home and wage a war against Russia that will not be victorious ... and not Russia's fault. Because Russia is trying to co-operate, while British government and prosecutors are politicizing the case and have failed to produce proof or common sense in this situation.

How is cloud cuckoo land this time of year? Nice weather cos I'm thinking of going there for my holidays. "Win support at home"?! What on Earth are you talking about?! And for the last time, there IS proof, what the fuck can you not understand about that concept?!

And the reason people keep asking you why you don't live in Russia any more is because it seems obvious that you couldn't live there any more due to whatever conditions, yet for some reason, you bend over backwards and refuse to accept reality to defend the place you felt the need to escape from. I'm sorry if that is offensive or personal but it just seems so bizarre...

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Originally posted by George Smiley Christ man! Why can you not accept any criticism of Russia?! How have you managed to get it into your head that Russia is some kind of beckon of light that can do no wrong?! Investigations by the EU and UN have found that Russian law is suspect yet you're so blinded by this image you've invented in your head that you just pass ignore it and refuse to accept it! How is cloud cuckoo land this time of year? Nice weather cos I'm thinking of going there for my holidays. "Win support at home"?! What on Earth are you talking about?! And for the last time, there IS proof, what the fuck can you not understand about that concept?! And the reason people keep asking you why you don't live in Russia any more is because it seems obvious that you couldn't live there any more due to whatever conditions, yet for some reason, you bend over backwards and refuse to accept reality to defend the place you felt the need to escape from. I'm sorry if that is offensive or personal but it just seems so bizarre...

Aaaaaah, personal attacks again ... when all else fails ... as I said before, and I say it again, living standards in Russia have nothing to do with this and do not automatically make Russia guilty in this case.

How about learning a bit about the amazing democratic Russian constitution, one of the most free in the world (that still needs to be enforced properly):

http://www.kremlin.ru/eng/articles/ConstMain.shtml

First Section

Chapter 1.
The Fundamentals
of the Constitutional System

(articles 1-16)

Chapter 2.
Rights and Freedoms
of Man and Citizen
(articles 17-64)

Chapter 3.
The Federal Structure

(articles 65-79)

Chapter 4.
The President of
the Russian Federation

(articles 80-93)

Chapter 5.
The Federal Assembly
(articles 94-109)

Chapter 6.


The Government of
the Russian Federation

(articles 110-117)

Chapter 7.


Judicial Power

(articles 118-129)

Chapter 8.


Local Self-government

(articles 130-133)

Chapter 9.


Constitutional Amendments
and Review of the Constitution

(articles 134-137)

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Did you even READ any of the Constitution you just posted up?!

It proves you are WRONG!

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Originally posted by George Smiley Did you even READ any of the Constitution you just posted up?! It proves you are WRONG!

OK, tell me which article then, which one is so hideous and un-democratic ;-)

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Originally posted by Magnetonium OK, tell me which article then, which one is so hideous and un-democratic ;-)

63

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Originally posted by George Smiley 63

Article 63

1. The Russian Federation shall grant political asylum to foreign citizens and stateless persons in accordance with the universally recognized norms of international law.
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OK, UK has the same thing, right?

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2. In the Russian Federation persons who are persecuted for their political convictions or for actions (or inaction) not recognized as a crime in the Russian Federation may not be extradited to other states. The extradition of persons accused of a crime, as well as the surrender of convicts to serve sentence in other states, shall be carried out on the basis of federal law or an international treaty of the Russian Federation.
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As what I said. Lugovoi can be tried in Russia. If evidence is substantial, he can be convicted. Otherwise this is a political act, and Lugovoi should not be extradited. Pretty simple, also backed by the fact that British prosecutors have turned down an offer to prosecute Lugovoi in Russia, so its obvious that this is a political game for which Lugovoi has protection under the Russian Constitution.

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BTW, you missed Article 61:

Article 61

1. A citizen of the Russian Federation may not be deported from the Russian Federation or extradited to another state.

2. The Russian Federation shall guarantee its citizens protection and patronage abroad.

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