i used to feel guilty writing down the bpms of all my tracks but i guess ive got nothing to feel guilty about.

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Sadly, I have come to remember the bpm for any trance track I use, and I know the exact tempo change I need to do for most bpm tracks heh, so I rarely have to ever even figure out how to get the bpm's in sync the old fashion way. Sad day as now I dont think I can really do it well anymore. Darn electronic tempo change on th CDJs ;/

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Originally posted by Tony Morello also, quick grammar lesson there = location - i'm going over THERE their = possesive - do pro djs standardize the bpm on THEIR cds? they're = contraction of they are - THEY'RE taking their cds and going over there if english is your only language, at least know how to use it properly, plskthnxbye

hahahaha

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Originally posted by RJT The only problem with that is I honestly seem to have a TON of tunes that aren't XX.0 - loads of them at are maybe 126.88 or 124.95, and when that happens you get the jump at around .4, 1.2, etc. but it's completely inaccurate. Gotta use those ears kiddies

Innocuous question: are you playing MP3 rips of vinyl releases?

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Originally posted by darudevil I don't normally export stuff at certain tempos different from the original tempo (an ancient dj saga tells that one bpm equals 0,7-0,8% in my bpm range, so I've done the math, I can mix and match, hehe)

It is nice to see someone else who has sorted this out!

I almost NEVER find tracks that aren't perfectly 127, 128, etc. Producers don't set there tempo in fractions of a BPM just for fun

Vinyl rips, on the other hand, can be anything.

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Originally posted by RJT The only problem with that is I honestly seem to have a TON of tunes that aren't XX.0 - loads of them at are maybe 126.88 or 124.95, and when that happens you get the jump at around .4, 1.2, etc. but it's completely inaccurate. Gotta use those ears kiddies

This might deserve its own thread since its a bit off-topic, but back up there somewhere I read mention of "technically proficient" pro DJs, and so I went over to Youtube to have a look at a few vids of Eddie Halliwell. I'll profess ignorance here--as a psytrance fan I don't really pay any attention to any of the big DJs in other scenes--so this was my first exposure. I wanted to know what all the hype was about.

So, from what I saw... on the technical side of things he seems to employ the vinyl mode on a CDJ-1000 and a CD containing percussive loops to scratch, filter, and otherwise mess around with. In two separate vids taken at different events it seemed like he was using the same steady drum loop--somewhat like a snare roll. My guess is that he matches the tempo of the loop, and given that there is almost no space in between the drum strikes, he can manipulate it freely and always count on it returning to parity in some way that works with the actual track he's got on (i.e. slightly stuttered or off-beat, but still beatmatched, or right on the kick, or right between the kick). That seems to be the trick of it--a loop that sounds fine no matter where it lands. Backspin, scratch, and otherwise mutilate to your heart's content is this the sort of thing people are talking about when they speak of technical proficiency?

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Originally posted by basilisk This might deserve its own thread since its a bit off-topic, but back up there somewhere I read mention of "technically proficient" pro DJs, and so I went over to Youtube to have a look at a few vids of Eddie Halliwell. I'll profess ignorance here--as a psytrance fan I don't really pay any attention to any of the big DJs in other scenes--so this was my first exposure. I wanted to know what all the hype was about. So, from what I saw... on the technical side of things he seems to employ the vinyl mode on a CDJ-1000 and a CD containing percussive loops to scratch, filter, and otherwise mess around with. In two separate vids taken at different events it seemed like he was using the same steady drum loop--somewhat like a snare roll. My guess is that he matches the tempo of the loop, and given that there is almost no space in between the drum strikes, he can manipulate it freely and always count on it returning to parity in some way that works with the actual track he's got on (i.e. slightly stuttered or off-beat, but still beatmatched, or right on the kick, or right between the kick). That seems to be the trick of it--a loop that sounds fine no matter where it lands. Backspin, scratch, and otherwise mutilate to your heart's content is this the sort of thing people are talking about when they speak of technical proficiency?

i want that loop!!!!!!!!! now how do i find it/make it...

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Originally posted by discobiscuit i want that loop!!!!!!!!! now how do i find it/make it...

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister I don't check, I just whack it on and use my skills to beatmatch. Proud to be able to mix with discipline.

i say amen to that

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Originally posted by discobiscuit i want that loop!!!!!!!!! now how do i find it/make it...

Well, I don't know... am I right?

The loop isn't difficult... you could also record a few minutes of the same steady drum sounds and not bother to loop at all. Pick a snare-like sound you like, line a bunch up in any sort of production software (Ableton, Fruity Loops, whatever), repeat the pattern for however long, cut a WAV at several useful tempos, burn to CD... and I think that's it. Otherwise, just grab some sort of percussive texture from a track you already own using the loop feature, and make that loop really short. I suspect Halliwell is using pre-recorded drums, as he doesn't actually mix in what's on that second deck--he just loops something from it and brings it into the mix in a variety of ways, most of which aren't going to work for you unless you've got access to CDJ-1000s and that nice mixer he's using.

At any rate, I'm just guessing based on what I see in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk08vk8Pt0o
Hear that chukka-chukka sound? It doesn't really matter too much where it drops and starts up again. He's looping it, but not mixing in a new track (he ejects the CD when he's done messing around with it).

Then there's this vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLJ2yr17-As

Seems like he's just looped a short slice of a track right before the return, messed around with it, and exited the loop after spinning things up to some kind of a peak. I dunno, it just seems like loops + effects + manic stage presence. Correct me if I'm wrong

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Originally posted by basilisk Well, I don't know... am I right? The loop isn't difficult... you could also record a few minutes of the same steady drum sounds and not bother to loop at all. Pick a snare-like sound you like, line a bunch up in any sort of production software (Ableton, Fruity Loops, whatever), repeat the pattern for however long, cut a WAV at several useful tempos, burn to CD... and I think that's it. Otherwise, just grab some sort of percussive texture from a track you already own using the loop feature, and make that loop really short. I suspect Halliwell is using pre-recorded drums, as he doesn't actually mix in what's on that second deck--he just loops something from it and brings it into the mix in a variety of ways, most of which aren't going to work for you unless you've got access to CDJ-1000s and that nice mixer he's using. At any rate, I'm just guessing based on what I see in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk08vk8Pt0o Hear that chukka-chukka sound? It doesn't really matter too much where it drops and starts up again. He's looping it, but not mixing in a new track (he ejects the CD when he's done messing around with it). Then there's this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLJ2yr17-As Seems like he's just looped a short slice of a track right before the return, messed around with it, and exited the loop after spinning things up to some kind of a peak. I dunno, it just seems like loops + effects + manic stage presence. Correct me if I'm wrong

lol he always does this trick i heard him do it at dance valley and nocturnal wonderland 06

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