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"If you wish to strive for peace of soul and pleasure, then believe; if you wish to be a devotee of truth, then inquire." - Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

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Originally posted by Krypton Ok, I didn't ask you to bash the poster. Anyone can do that all day. I asked you to address his claims in a specific manner.

this isn't aimed at you but...


Herein lies the rub, we're just about all fully aware that the mainstream media has been complicit in covering up many things in the recent years, that they basically pick and choose which issues are discussed and that anything deemed contrary to the government/big business/military industrial/corporate media's agenda is squashed (or at least majorly squelched.)

They've basically become just another propaganda arm for the state and they're hardly operating with best interest of the people at heart.

So that leads me to this, many of you people seem to rely on a complicit mainstream media for most of your news. News sources which from the beginning have already begun picking and choosing the issues that you will get to hear. News sources which have for the most part been censored, filtered and/or sanitized of any poignant information other than the crap that they want you to hear.

But since I read practically EVERYTHING and then follow that up by making good use of my own powers of perception, discernment and intellect in order to sift through all of the garbage, I'm labeled as someone who is

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Originally posted by Marc Summers picking and choosing what the issues in order to make his little "Totalitarian" paranoia look reasonable

Go fucking figure

I don't really agree that the states have much power now. Granted, the current federal government permits states broad authority in many matters, but one shouldn't confuse the permissiveness of the current federal government with the extent of its authority. Every state, today, is more financially dependent on the federal government than ever before. That's inherently anti-federalist. Since no state could maintain it's current infrastructure without federal funds, and since the federal government could withold those funds if certain states don't cooperate on a given issue that is considered of particular importance, the truth is that the states' power is what the federal government delegates to it: which in fact is no power at all.

The federal and state governments usually cooperate very well, which is not surprising considering that the same two, frankly similar, political parties dominate both arenas. So I don't anticipate a whole lot of conflict. But if it really came down to a sort of brinksmanship on some point of contention, I think that the federal government has the 'teeth' to back up its position, and the state governments do not.

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Originally posted by Marc Summers I don't understand some of your beliefs Trancer-x. States are more powerful than ever, since FDR's new deal created cooperative federalism. New federalism has enabled states to take on welfare (thanks to clinton, oddly enough), education, and taxes. Individuals are now closer to their local and state governments more than ever! The federal government really doesn't have the power that it used to have. You can throw all of the quotes, videos and wikipedia articles you want, but conspiracy theories aside, our federal government is giving more power to the states, so issues will be dealt with according to the local governments demographic.

I'd have to personally disagree. The federal government has done a great job of consolidating its own power and control.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X (directed at Marc Summers) Do you know what Executive Orders are?

I guess not

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Originally posted by Trancer-X I guess not

I'm actually refusing to respond. I'm done with arguing with you if you can't debate correctly. You responded with a question. One damn sentence. Then you continue to post garbage videos and post famous quotes from quotes.com.

You're honestly not worth my time.

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Originally posted by Marc Summers I'm actually refusing to respond. I'm done with arguing with you if you can't debate correctly. You responded with a question. One damn sentence. Then you continue to post garbage videos and post famous quotes from quotes.com. You're honestly not worth my time.

You couldn't even answer that one sentence. It was an important one especially when considering that it just revealed either your complete lack of knowledge in the particular subject or your inability to delve further into the details.

You cop out.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X You couldn't even answer that one sentence. It was an important one especially when considering that it just revealed either your complete lack of knowledge in the particular subject or your inability to delve further into the details. You cop out.

Did I say that I didn't know what "Executive Orders" are? No. I said I was refusing to answer, because you clutter threads with garbage.

I'll let the baby have his bottle... Here's my take on "Executive orders":

Executive orders aren't illegal, but neither is it an absolute right of the president's power. But they can be abused. I've yet to be concerned with executive orders, but the most horrific executive orders would have to be many of FDR's executive orders in 1942 (Link) in which he overreacted to pearl harbor. It could have been much worse if we had a more conservative president (FDR is the Ideal modern liberal).

Once, again, I've yet to be concerned. Please go to the national archives and show me which executive orders should be highlighted to support your totalitarian paranoia.

http://www.archives.gov/federal-reg...ders/wbush.html

I'm assuming you are shitting your pants because of bush's executive orders. Here's a list of other presidents.

http://www.archives.gov/federal-reg...isposition.html

And don't give me a fucking video about it. Post some original content. I'm tired of your copy and paste tactics.

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Originally posted by Marc Summers Did I say that I didn't know what "Executive Orders" are? No. I said I was refusing to answer, because you clutter threads with garbage. I'll let the baby have his bottle... Here's my take on "Executive orders": Executive orders aren't illegal, but neither is it an absolute right of the president's power. But they can be abused. I've yet to be concerned with executive orders, but the most horrific executive orders would have to be many of FDR's executive orders in 1942 (Link) in which he overreacted to pearl harbor. It could have been much worse if we had a more conservative president (FDR is the Ideal modern liberal). Once, again, I've yet to be concerned. Please go to the national archives and show me which executive orders should be highlighted to support your totalitarian paranoia. http://www.archives.gov/federal-reg...ders/wbush.html I'm assuming you are shitting your pants because of bush's executive orders. Here's a list of other presidents. http://www.archives.gov/federal-reg...isposition.html And don't give me a fucking video about it. Post some original content. I'm tired of your copy and paste tactics.

Who said executive orders were illegal? You obviously just assumed that but on the basis of what I don't know.

I'm more focused on the Executive Orders regarding Continuity of Government (COG) and the prospect of us American's totally losing of freedom.

Congressman DeFazio sure had something to say about the secrecy behind it:

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Originally posted by Trancer-X Who said executive orders were illegal? You obviously just assumed that but on the basis of what I don't know.

Are you kidding me? You asked me if I knew what executive orders were. I was just stating this fact. Jesus christ... What is wrong with you?

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Originally posted by Marc Summers Are you kidding me? You asked me if I knew what executive orders were. I was just stating this fact. Jesus christ... What is wrong with you?

Well, I'm sorry then. I don't mean to be short but I have a lot of other things that i'm doing ATM and I'm really tired of people talking out of their asses because their heads are too indisposed from being stuck so deeply in the sand.

That's what's wrong with me. If you were saying basically the same thing day in and day out for several years and the majority of all you ever got were vehement denials from people who refused to actually do research on those matters, you'd probably get a little tired of it too.

I am only human, after all.

Last edited by Trancer-X on Oct-16-2007 at 21:40