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Originally posted by leph555 Rudy Giuliani FTW

Other than just cheering for him like you're cheering for your favorite sports team, what are your underlying motivations for wanting to vote for him?

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Originally posted by Trancer-X Obama has ties tio the CFR, an organization which has an underlying intention of destroying America's national sovereignty. He's just another puppet, IMO.

Where the hell do you get this stuff? The Council on Foreign Relations is not some shadow organization trying to bring about the downfall of anything. It's main purpose is to publish Foreign Affairs, which is probably the most highly-regarded publication on foreign policy on this side of the Atlantic. Furthermore, it's highly regarded because it's very even-handed in how it addresses issues.

The conspiracy theorists who claim that the CFR is out to get them include the likes of Phylis Schafly and other neo-con extremists who get their britches in a bunch precisely because the Council rarely takes their side.

And Ron Paul's complaint with the CFR is probably that they deem his foreign policy credentials so insignificant that they would never even think about giving him an invitation to join.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Where the hell do you get this stuff? The Council on Foreign Relations is not some shadow organization trying to bring about the downfall of anything. It's main purpose is to publish Foreign Affairs, which is probably the most highly-regarded publication on foreign policy on this side of the Atlantic. Furthermore, it's highly regarded because it's very even-handed in how it addresses issues. The conspiracy theorists who claim that the CFR is out to get them include the likes of Phylis Schafly and other neo-con extremists who get their britches in a bunch precisely because the Council rarely takes their side. And Ron Paul's complaint with the CFR is probably that they deem his foreign policy credentials so insignificant that they would never even think about giving him an invitation to join.

Have you ever really done any research on it other than what you've read in their online journals? Have you read any of what former CFR archivist Prof. Carroll Quigley had to say about their goals? Have you studied the people who layed it's foundations, beginning with Col. Edward Mandell House?

Apparently not.

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...175#post8206175

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Originally posted by Trancer-X Have you ever really done any research on it other than what you've read in their online journals? Have you read any of what former CFR archivist Prof. Carroll Quigley had to say about their goals?

So I'm supposed to take the word of a Georgetown professor at it's word, but not the word of anyone else who's ever been a member of the organization? I admit, the only familiarity I have with Quigley is his scholarship that was the foundation for Huntington's "Clash of Civilizations" diatribe, a piece of work I find thoroughly flawed and inflammatory. And again, that's another lynchpin of the neo-conservative philosophy. So aside from the neo-cons, who exactly shares your obsession with this so-called CFR global governance conspiracy?

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Apparently not.

I'm sure you're going to give me a lecture on good scholarship.

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http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...175#post8206175

Thanks for the wikipedia info full of insinuations and no proof! Simply providing a list of powerful people who are members of the CFR does not prove a congealed, coordinated effort to usurp US authority over anything.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov And Ron Paul's complaint with the CFR is probably that they deem his foreign policy credentials so insignificant that they would never even think about giving him an invitation to join.

I'm tired of arguing. Believe what you want.

However, Ron Paul would never want to be a member of that society because it's values are diametrically opposed to his. He's wants to uphold our National Sovereignty, not destroy it.

Oh, and BTW - while we're still on the subject, what foreign policy credentials do you think it was that Angelina Jolie brought to the CFR table?

http://www.people.com/people/articl...0041839,00.html

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Originally posted by Trancer-X Oh, and BTW - while we're still on the subject, what foreign policy credentials do you think it was that Angelina Jolie brought to the CFR table? http://www.people.com/people/articl...0041839,00.html

Exactly. I'm glad you brought it up so I didn't have to. Though to be honest, I was expecting a youtube video interview where she talks about how she wants to take over the world and adopt all its babies or something. You really think an organization that allows Angelina Jolie to be a member is trying to rule the world?

I've spoken with several members of the CFR, and none have ever espoused any ideas about a New World Order. Quite the opposite actually.

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Damn, Colbert got voted out of the nomination by a commitee.

That says a lot about our system, eh? I thought the whole idea was that anyone could run for president!

I guess we'll toss that on the pile of myths next to freedom, and the seperation of church and state.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Damn, Colbert got voted out of the nomination by a commitee. That says a lot about our system, eh? I thought the whole idea was that anyone could run for president! I guess we'll toss that on the pile of myths next to freedom, and the seperation of church and state.

Colbert wasn't very good about following the rules, that was kind of part of the problem.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Colbert wasn't very good about following the rules, that was kind of part of the problem.

Yeah, part of their problem, part of our solution.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Yeah, part of their problem, part of our solution.

Well he was breaking campaign finance reform laws, which in my opinion are actually good components of election law.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Exactly. I'm glad you brought it up so I didn't have to. Though to be honest, I was expecting a youtube video interview where she talks about how she wants to take over the world and adopt all its babies or something. You really think an organization that allows Angelina Jolie to be a member is trying to rule the world? I've spoken with several members of the CFR, and none have ever espoused any ideas about a New World Order. Quite the opposite actually.

Well, perhaps they needed a pretty face for a spokesperson (or spokesmodel?)

On the same token, I have friends and family who are Freemasons but apparently none of them have much of a real clue in regards to the inner, more secretive workings of the craft. Just like with the Ancient Mystery Schools of Egypt or Babylon, there's an enormous difference in just being a member (or an initiate) and actually being an adept or as it's called in Freemasonry, "enlightened" or "illuminated."