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Omega_M
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Registered: Jun 2005
Location: Ether

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Originally posted by Dervish
Mate I've used plenty of maths, but it's a tool nothing more. Not something to get a stiffy over.

In fact a lot of people get so hung up on the maths that they end up not understanding whats actually going on. Seen it many many times. Ends with people who can't think for themselfs (in the times I've seen, just personal experience) and need a formula to understand how something works. Something they can do an example of over and over... which is great assuming it has been done before.

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Originally posted by Dervish
Says the guy with a post grad in physics actually...

It's incredible for a physics major to not appreciate maths. I'm sure you are aware of the fact that the theory on black holes was developed first as a purely mathematical theory. Physical proof came later. And I will quote Stephen Hawking on this.

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Black holes are one of only a fairly small number of cases in the history of science in which a theory was developed in great detail as a mathematical model before there was any evidence from observations that it was correct.

It's incredible !! The most exotic physical object know to mankind was discovered in maths !! It's existence and properties materialized in the equations and their solutions ! People who get hung up on math are not intelligent enough to use it. period. The ability to understand a physical problem and represent it mathematically requires intelligence. The ability to work on mathematics and derive physical conclusions is genius. This is where the beauty lies. There are several examples where physical conclusions were drawn based on the mathematical outcomes. Many of them lie in the domain of Quantum physics and Cosmology/Astrophysics. I'm sure you are aware of these things. At the highest level of science, physics and maths merge into a continuum field. You cannot separate them.

You should also check this link : Mathematical beauty.

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MrJiveBoJingles
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Registered: Jun 2004
Location: U.S.

Maths!

Oct-22-2007 01:13 United States

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Zild
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Registered: Jun 2004
Location: San Antonio, US : TXTA #156

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Originally posted by Dervish
MrJiveBoJingles see thats something I would have to agree with. But suppose I personally prefer to think of things in physical terms. Understand the concept first then the equation. For some people I know they do it the other way, which I don't like to do.

But having said that equations like Maxwell's equations (some postulated things before they were proved I suppose) are still derived from ideas which were proved with experiments which via their data yielded equations. Not the other way round.

I agree with all of this. If you don't understand the physical terms you'll just be plugging numbers and in the case you get a non physical answer because you made a small mistake you won't know because you don't actually understand the concept. And yes most of our knowledge is derived from empirical data and then formalized through mathematics. I just really appreciate how you can take all of that data and very elegantly state it as a mathematical equation.

I think you understand where the beauty in maths lie you are just being difficult.

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nchs09
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Registered: Sep 2003
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why are you guys calliung it maths? same as when you say data are instead of is? anyhow fuck math or "maths"

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Dervish
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Registered: Dec 2003
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Originally posted by Omega_M
It's incredible for a physics major to not appreciate maths. I'm sure you are aware of the fact that the theory on black holes was developed first as a purely mathematical theory. Physical proof came later. And I will quote Stephen Hawking on this.

Lol Well like I said Maxwell's equations did that too, radio was theorised before proved. And if their were to be maths I'd consider beautiful it would be his equations, but to me they are just nice simple to use efficient tools (the similarities between some his relating to the electro-magnetic world and the physical are interesting but not beautiful).

I do appreciate maths, just dislike doing it! Beauty is a subjective thing but for me there are interesting things that can be done using maths but it's like saying... the words of a book are beautiful rather than the story. Maths provides the words to explain the beauty but is not the beauty itself.

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Oct-22-2007 18:09