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Originally posted by Alex Congrats to the thread starter for being such a dumbass. "That plasma screen TV costs too much, so I'll just steal it instead"

go and act the smart guy somewhere else..
u think u are not cheating anyone? u have original windows? original antivirus and other programms?... all here somehow use illegal programms software mp3s etc...

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Originally posted by body125z go and act the smart guy somewhere else.. u think u are not cheating anyone? u have original windows? original antivirus and other programms?... all here somehow use illegal programms software mp3s etc...

But only idiots brag about it.

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The hobbyist scientist can do little. The hobbyist musician is still as equally creative as a professional one, just without the $$$$ or the time.

Huuuum.
Not so sure about that. The hobbyist musician has not the same access to hardware, studios, competent professionals to help him. Even in electronic music, software solutions are not the same, no matter how complete they may be, not to mention the other genres where you have to actually possess an instrument.

A pro musician will have 2 to 3 times more hours to actually focus on its art. I think that for a majority of them it is actually a big plus.

Out of your ten favorite tracks this year, is there an "hobbyist musician" among the artists? Honest question, really...

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery But only idiots brag about it.

whatever u say

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Originally posted by body125z whatever u say

Zing.

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Originally posted by Laeke Huuuum. Not so sure about that. The hobbyist musician has not the same access to hardware, studios, competent professionals to help him. Even in electronic music, software solutions are not the same, no matter how complete they may be, not to mention the other genres where you have to actually possess an instrument. A pro musician will have 2 to 3 times more hours to actually focus on its art. I think that for a majority of them it is actually a big plus. Out of your ten favorite tracks this year, is there an "hobbyist musician" among the artists? Honest question, really...

I don't think that being a pro musician helps that much... I mean, now with a laptop you can make music everywhere, whenever you want. It's pure snobbery to consider that working in a full-packed studio will change the artistic process. It will perhaps change how creative we will be, but when you are in an artistic mood, you can make art with anything you can master. And laptop are sufficient enough to do so.
In a more philosophic way, I consider that musicians should never be pro, making music in order to make a living would annoy me a lot. I have a good friend who work in a studio & must make the post-production for r&b dickheads or 0 IQ DJs. There is something sacred in arts. I think that the best artists are the happy-few who can express their mind out of art without the boundaries of our consumerist society, who can touch what Merleau-Ponty called "our stormed, mankindly shared deeper Being".

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Originally posted by Laeke Out of your ten favorite tracks this year, is there an "hobbyist musician" among the artists? Honest question, really...

probly half of them

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I dont know if I'm the only one but I struggle to have any pride/emotional attachment over bought mp3s. I've only bought one digital release and that was The Digital Blonde last year. I struggled with that because I thought it was too expensive without having physical evidence that I owned it.

When I look at my physical cd collection it brings back memories of when I bought them and how I felt the first time I listened to them. I don't get that with mp3s because I still associate them with piracy.

It also bugs me that I have to burn a cd to "store" digital releases in case my hard drive crashes. I would hate to spend hundreds of dollars on mp3s for it all to be gone because of a hard drive crash.

It's been about 3 years since I downloaded an mp3 illegally. I buy probably 3-4 new release cds a year and probably 2 older cds a year. Everything else is supplemented by radio shows I listen to. Given that I'm not to fond of the price of buying mp3s because of the lack of physicality and buying experience I'm alienating the majority of the EDM-producers and not supporting them at all. I'm just making the DJs on the top richer by buying their releases that are released on a wide market. I want to support the struggling producer but until the cost vs product of MP3s make more sense or I get over my issues it'll stay this way.

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! I agree completely with your argument, but it sucks that any "producer" should be moaning about not being paid for his labour. Shouldn't producing music be a hobby, rather than a breadwinner. Are you satisfied only by grabbing $$$$$ that you think you deserve? Or is it enough to have made that summers bomb track, and will be forever remembered for that.

Why should other people get paid off of someone's music but not the actual producer? That shouldn't even be a discussion. People that pull that arguement that producers should be doing it for the love of the music need to direct that arguement to the DJ's first. You think it's cool to pay someone $25,000 to spin for two hours to play other people's music yet you think paying someone a few bucks to make the music is a crime? Without music producers there wouldn't be any clubs, radio (including internet), DJ's, labels, promoters and all these other people that make money off of other people. Producing should be a hobby and everything else is ok to be a career? To think people wonder why music has gone to shit with attitudes like this.

Back before mp3's it was a fucking pleasure to go out to clubs and events because it was a different experience than it is today. You knew you were going to hear ID after ID all night long. Songs weren't old to you because you seldom heard them anywhere else. It was hard to get a hold of a lot of tracks so it was almost as if you had to go out to hear the music that you loved. You were willing to pay a little to go see someone because you knew that money was going towards something. Of course the big jocks probably didn't pay for the majority of their vinyls, but a lot of DJ's did. Plus, it was interesting to see what each different DJ was going to play because not everyone had access to the same tracks. DJ's weren't lazy and producers were recognized for their contribution to the scene. People knew that without the producers there would be no scene. Their was a level of respect. Now, it's as if everyone thinks they can make music because it's so damn easy to get a track out there. At first people were excited because someone that didn't have a lot of money or connections could finally get noticed. Now it's completely out of hand and the scene has gone to shit as a result. Everyday there is someone new recycling the same old sounds. People on the internet have tracks just as quickly as the DJ's. People bitch and moan about songs being old and played out because they get leaked all over the place. There is no respect for the artists. Support means more than posting on a peer to peer group about how much you love the new release that you just downloaded for free. Everyone wants to download music for free, be on the guest list at the event and then bitch until the sun comes up about the music. I'm so thankful that I started in the scene when I did. Call me old...I don't care. I feel blessed.

Yes, my husband is a music producer and he even DJ's when he has the time. If people actually paid him for what he's worth he would have more time to devote to making music. Instead, he works full time doing something that helps to pay the bills. Music has indeed become a "hobby". If anyone should ever wonder why he doesn't produce as much as he would like to...there's your answer. Music will always be his first passion, but there's only so much time in the day when people don't think you should get paid.