Not good.

Especially the fact that this crazy deteriorating country has nuclear weapons.

I fear what will happen to the world when America furthers its deterioration and its nuclear stockpile becomes suspect...

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Originally posted by Lesbianosaur Pure speculation of course, but she is a woman in a position of power. And she has pledged to work more closely with the US in the War on Terror. Don't know if those will be the reasons cited, but I'm sure they are factors.

true. We can only speculate on what motivates whom to act in a particular way. I am pretty sure Ms. Bhutto's return to Pakistan was based on political calculations taking full advantage of the turbulent political scenario in Pakistan and the international pressure on Musharraf to "restore democracy". She was just like any other politician. Corrupt and hungry for power. It is a known fact that she was convicted on corruption charges. Her husband spend 8 years behind bars on similar charges.

Read : Bhutto Corruption

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Hmm, interesting. I didn't realize this was yet another West conspiracy against Russia. Perhaps you could entertain us with evidence that supports your assertion? I'll start with one of mine - a Russian writer named Vadim Erlikman who believed there were 1.5 million killed in executions. He also has 5 million from gulags, and 1.7 million from deportations in his book "Poteri narodonaseleniia v XX veke: spravochnik." (Moscow, 2004). There's other non-Westerners listed here as well: http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm#Stalin Here's another non-westerner: and yet another: and that lovely famine thingy imposed by Stalin was just terrific too: http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/e...atcroft2004.pdf and you're more than welcome to attempt to undermine historians such as this guy who's done quite a bit of homework on your sick hero: http://sovietinfo.tripod.com/WCR-German_Soviet.pdf and http://sovietinfo.tripod.com/WCR-Scale_Repression.pdf and this guy: https://www.cia.gov/library/center-...f/v43i3a06p.pdf

And how many Natives* had to die in order to allow America to become what it is?

If we can't even remember our own manifest "destiny" in relative perspective, how can you not question "facts" estimating convenient evil figures like 20-40 million Russians dead?

Ok, Saying Al Qaeda is responsible for this is a bit premature and probably the easiest answer, but it doesnt mean its correct. Al Qaeda is the scape goat answer in my opinion. Benazair Bhutto was about to win the election and throw out Musharraff. This whole thing stinks bad. Musharraff doesnt want elections, he want his grip on power. There are 70 free floating nukes in Pakistan, this should be a real concern for the world, more so than Iran. So all pay attention, cause the world just got a whole lot more dangerous.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby And how many Natives* had to die in order to allow America to become what it is? If we can't even remember our own manifest "destiny" in relative perspective, how can you not question "facts" estimating convenient evil figures like 20-40 million Russians dead?

Sorry, but anyone else see this as a bad example?

The situations aren't even close to being the same...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Sorry, but anyone else see this as a bad example? The situations aren't even close to being the same...

yes, it's more moral relativism. it sux rational people can't hide from it.

it's the lazy thinking mans way to try and understand the world around him. in the end most of us recognize it holds no water.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby And how many Natives* had to die in order to allow America to become what it is? If we can't even remember our own manifest "destiny" in relative perspective, how can you not question "facts" estimating convenient evil figures like 20-40 million Russians dead?

Well when someone makes a claim that we treated the American Indians properly in the past by the same token that someone asserting that Stalin was "good", then that argument will be appropriate I suppose. I did not see anyone make that argument yet, and it's not that I don't agree that our country was incredibly shitty to Native Americans, but it simply wasn't brought up at this time.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Well when someone makes a claim that we treated the American Indians properly in the past by the same token that someone asserting that Stalin was "good", then that argument will be appropriate I suppose. I did not see anyone make that argument yet, and it's not that I don't agree that our country was incredibly shitty to Native Americans, but it simply wasn't brought up at this time.

Sorry about the offtopic comment, but wouldn't you say that's a bit of an understatement?

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Didn't take long, the Pakistan government have blamed al-Qaida for the assassination: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7163307.stm

From the same report, however, it seems that Bhutto's supporters place the blame squarely on Musharaf's regime

Interestingly, Bhutto blamed the previuous attempt on her life on "rogue elements" in the Pakistani intelligence services - altho it's unclear whether that means she was blaming Musharaf or al-Qaida

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Originally posted by George Smiley Didn't take long, the Pakistan government have blamed al-Qaida for the assassination: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7163307.stm From the same report, however, it seems that Bhutto's supporters place the blame squarely on Musharaf's regime Interestingly, Bhutto blamed the previuous attempt on her life on "rogue elements" in the Pakistani intelligence services - altho it's unclear whether that means she was blaming Musharaf or al-Qaida

Maybe Musharaf IS al-Qaida!!

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I guess it will end up in a pointing the finger game....No one takes responsibility but points at the other.......Just like 9/11....Some people think its Bush Administration and some think its Al Qaida.