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Originally posted by breakfast it's A State of Commercial cheese

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Catch up sunshine

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Originally posted by Umezawa There are many artists that have contributed positively to the EDM scene this year. Just to name a few: Deadmau5, Maor Levi, Eric Prydz. I did not see any of these names in the top 20.

First State is beyond regular. They were 7th place with falling i think.

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Originally posted by chrisspob hey guys, ive just read through this thread,, i do like armins show i listen every week,just wondered what radio show you guys listen too who hate armins show? i dont like like all the tunes he plays, but i love listening to new trance tunes,my fave dj is eddie halliwell btw..

If you absolutely HAVE to listen to a radio show, go for Diggers transitions, that is the only thing worth it these days.

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it was pretty cheesey. I felt like i was just listening to the beatprot top trance charts. Only song i like in the whole set was the great escape, just because i liked it i dunno why.

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Originally posted by Umezawa Airwave, under his alias Lolo, makes a lot of trance tracks which are very good productions, just to contradict your statement. And to make something clear, I am not saying Armin is bad or anything (I speak for myself however), it's just that his show has declined in quality, which is disappointing because I was a dedicated listener of his show.

Contradict MY statement, ok fair enough, but WHICH statetement of mine do you exactly contradict with your phrase? I like (or i used to like anyway) Lolo's productions. I can't see where you disagree with me.

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Originally posted by chadi I doubt anyone is really proposing that all epic trance is cheesy;

Just Ishkur, nefardec (no matter that he re-phrased his original statement) and a few others ("few" could be the vast majority of "tranceaddict")...

Umezawa: Do you play Magic by any chance?

I've heard a lot about the ASOT radio show on these forums, but why does everyone here care so much about it? If the show sucks so much now, then why keep listening to it or poring over the tracklists? Why not listen to something else, like "Transitions" as woty suggested?

Bickering is not going to make the show go away or change to your liking.

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Originally posted by PETRAN Just Ishkur, nefardec (no matter that he re-phrased his original statement) and a few others ("few" could be the vast majority of "tranceaddict")...

Now keep this in mind cheese doesn't necessarily mean bad (although most of the time it does ). It's not a set rule. But yeah 90% of epic trance is cheesy, you do the math. It's like nefardec says, "it's the gateway genre to EDM"....

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There's certainly nothing inherently 'wrong' with cheese, as (depending upon how seriously you take it) it can be nice to occasionally enjoy some silly, goofy fun.

As for ASOT and quality Epic Trance, I don't see many people complaining that ASOT oriented material doesn't properly represent 'real Epic Trance.' I really think thats it- that's the best material coming from that genre, unless there's 'underground Epic' somewhere that has managed to go unnoticed/untainted.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid Now keep this in mind cheese doesn't necessarily mean bad (although most of the time it does ). It's not a set rule. But yeah 90% of epic trance is cheesy, you do the math. It's like nefardec says, "it's the gateway genre to EDM"....

So, how do we define "cheesy"? Is it because it has a melody or something? Is it because it has a kind of emotional melody maybe?



And this "gateway genre" is PURE bollocks. The first albums i bought in the mid-90s were Orbital's "In Sides", Underworld's "Dubnobasswithmyheadman", Leftfield's "Leftism" and stuff like that. I don't think "epic-trance" used to exist back then (at least in its present form) but i used to like this melodic type of proggy trance such as BT and Paul Van Dyk (and Robert Miles ofcourse). I came to like end-of-90s epic-trance for what it was,namely a big-room, full-on, epic and melodic type of EDM. I used to buy trance vinyl together with Autechre, Aphex Twin and Arovane cds. I never had a problem with that. If it had nice melody and atmosphere i used to buy it regardless of "genre" type.