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Originally posted by Lira No, I don't think this is right. Freedom of expression/thought/assembly... should be respected, and "declaring war" on an organisation simply because their beliefs are considered bizarre is not all right. This, however, could be a source of epic lulz, and I'm really curious to find out how the said church is going to deal with it. Are they going to sue Moot? Can he even be blamed?

disagree completely. ANY idea should have to justify itself rationally and those that dont stack up should be met with mockery and attack. this whole idea that ideas should be respected a priori is how stupidity gets a foothold in the first place. if we hadn't given religion a free pass centuries ago perhaps some of today's problems wouldn't be so bad.

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Originally posted by RJT I say let the idiots play together, I think it's cute

that's because, like lira, you're a nice, tolerant and understanding young man. whereas im an intolerant prick who refuses to yield to ideas i find damaging to the human condition.

somewhat paradoxically, i feel some sympathy for the intellectually challenged that are taken advantage of by big business.

who knows what social evils are propogated by scientology that fly under the radar. plus, don't get me started on the tax breaks

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I just feel a need to remind you how much I like your posts, PKC.

I don't think I've ever both agreed and disagreed with a single person more, and when we disagree I generally walk away thinking "Well fuck, that doesn't sound that dumb an idea..."

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Originally posted by RJT I just feel a need to remind you how much I like your posts, PKC. I don't think I've ever both agreed and disagreed with a single person more, and when we disagree I generally walk away thinking "Well fuck, that doesn't sound that dumb an idea..."

lols, right back atcha champ!

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Originally posted by RJT And I hardly see how what they're doing (shutting down websites) is limited to a war of information. Exposing lies is one thing, maliciously attacking an organizations infrastructure is quite the other.

I agree it needs more negative exposure. I can't see it turning into some Peoples Temple style cult. The way it stands against any rational or constructive criticism is a sign it's dodgy for starters. The pathetic way they try and find any dirty information on anyone who has spoke out against them rather the countering the actual argument. All signs it has something sinster to hide.

They oppose psychology and psychiatry so we all know where the nutters are who haven't been taking their medication.

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i'd love to infiltrate the church, become one of the top "priests" and then bring the koolaide idea to their attention

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN disagree completely. ANY idea should have to justify itself rationally and those that dont stack up should be met with mockery and attack. this whole idea that ideas should be respected a priori is how stupidity gets a foothold in the first place. if we hadn't given religion a free pass centuries ago perhaps some of today's problems wouldn't be so bad.

Hah, who would've thought this thread would really yield a good discussion

But, yeah, I disagree with you, pkc. Although it is true that ideas should be disputed in case they don't meet certain criteria, if you simply fight "irrationality" with mockery and/or passion, you probably won't show anyone the flaws in their way of thinking - rather, they'll probably stick even more passionately to their beliefs, making it impossible for them to debate. Doesn't sound any more rational than their nuttery.

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Originally posted by Lira Hah, who would've thought this thread would really yield a good discussion But, yeah, I disagree with you, pkc. Although it is true that ideas should be disputed in case they don't meet certain criteria, if you simply fight "irrationality" with mockery and/or passion, you probably won't show anyone the flaws in their way of thinking - rather, they'll probably stick even more passionately to their beliefs, making it impossible for them to debate. Doesn't sound any more rational than their nuttery.

to be honest lira, those that are suckered into things like scientology are quite immune from "rational debate", indeed such debate only give their ideas an inflated sense of credibility.

they should be mocked, not to change the notions of the converts, but to prevent their ideas from gaining a foothold with the general populace.

and really, what's not fun about mockery!?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN to be honest lira, those that are suckered into things like scientology are quite immune from "rational debate", indeed such debate only give their ideas an inflated sense of credibility. they should be mocked, not to change the notions of the converts, but to prevent their ideas from gaining a foothold with the general populace. and really, what's not fun about mockery!?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN to be honest lira, those that are suckered into things like scientology are quite immune from "rational debate", indeed such debate only give their ideas an inflated sense of credibility. they should be mocked, not to change the notions of the converts, but to prevent their ideas from gaining a foothold with the general populace.

By shutting websites down?

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Originally posted by Lira By shutting websites down?

what's good for the goose...

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Scientology,that can't be the name of a religion... It's just for some wealthy people that have too much free time,fame and money. I don't have none of those,and I am not a scientologist. Those people are crazy and have no sense for religion and faith.