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Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty but i think thats correct (about social settings). reminds me of that "if a tree falls down and nobody's around, does it make a sound" dealio. we will usually always think that we're good persons, i doubt it there's somebody sitting all alone going "im a bad person, im a bad person" except mentally challenged. also if theres nobody around how can you do good?? or bad for that matter. i like this thread

You can THINK bad thoughts though.... I know people that enjoy others' misfortune, even if that misfortune is seemingly undeserved. They will cover up these thoughts with sickly sweet smiles that don't reach their eyes when they see that person....

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Originally posted by English Rachel You can THINK bad thoughts though.... I know people that enjoy others' misfortune, even if that misfortune is seemingly undeserved. They will cover up these thoughts with sickly sweet smiles that don't reach their eyes when they see that person....

oh, i know that. believe me. but again they need those other people to enjoy themselves. when they're all alone, even those bad toughts will be good ones in their heads, dont you agree?

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Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty oh, i know that. believe me. but again they need those other people to enjoy themselves. when they're all alone, even those bad toughts will be good ones in their heads, dont you agree?

hmm good point but I would have to say not.... I am sure people know when they are thinking bad thoughts, I just think that they enjoy them because they are intrinsically bad people...

Do you think they think they are acceptable thoughts? Do they console themselves with the thought that other people do it so it is ok?

I wish I had more brainpower to think about these things. Aristotle and Plato gave it to me good and hard this morning

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Originally posted by English Rachel would I kill to keep myself alive? I don't think so.

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Originally posted by English Rachel I am definitely not a theologist. I would have thought that was obvious.

You are NOT being empirical, you did NOT answer my question:

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Originally posted by evil_cookie how can you argue that your own "personal morals" are not a product of your own personal experience?

This forces your postion to that of a rationalist.

If you were being empirical you'd know for a fact that our primitive instincts are to surive. Thus every human is capable of killing - especially to save his/her life. So not only are you not in agreement with evolutionary science, your example is irrelevant.

Having established that you are not in accordence with sceince, where is the basis for your premise? You need to understand that you are inclined to conclude by a priori reasoning. Your are either one or the other. This cannot be argued.

It's not complicated, it's very simple. I went back and looked at your other post:

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Originally posted by English Rachel I believe them to be programmed into me before I was born,

Again, you are contrary to the process of evolution, therefore your argument only holds validness if your premise lies with creationism.

Lastly, so far you've mentioned a “lamb” scenario, which you seem to believe holds some sort of soundness.

You must understand that, primitively humans are omnivores, and we have our teeth to suit that need. And you say:

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Originally posted by English Rachel or was I predisposed to the fact that I don't think my life is any more precious than a cow's?

Again where are you drawing these conlcusions from? Because they sure as hell are not scientific.

So answer my first question, and understand that your argument can only fall into the following categories:

Either you are empirical, or you are a rationalist. If the former, then you’re confused and are dead wrong, if the latter, you’ve contradicted yourself by saying you’re not.

Or, maybe its...“it is what it is, because I SAY IT IS”?

Take your pick.

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Originally posted by English Rachel Do you think they think they are acceptable thoughts? Do they console themselves with the thought that other people do it so it is ok?

honestly, i doubt it that they even know that those are bad/negative/whatever toughts. its a sad world that we live in.

but like your positive view on things

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