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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 so you want to strip the Canadian worker's right to organise? In some work environments (such as industry, public service) still require unions because corporations are always looking for ways to fuck their workers. Believe me, I've seen it first hand. Five years ago when I had my city job in London I was looking after a facility during a lacrosse tournament. Some kid got his face smashed with a stick and there was blood all over the glass and floor and it was my job to clean it up. Trouble is there were no latex/rubber gloves that I could use so I refused to do it. My supervisor went ape shit after the coaches bitched so I called my union/HS rep and he came down. Turns out that kid had fucking Hep C and my "serve the corporation at all cost" boss didn't care if I was protected or not. That kind of shit happens all the time in the work industry. In some environments (offices, etc), unions are perhaps not necessary but my mother is a prime example of someone who has a good job but no job protection at all and could be walked out at a minute's notice if they find someone younger or want to cut costs. And some unions (like the TTC) are far too stubborn but the moment you take the right to organise away is just another liberty being eliminated. Corporations already run our fucking lives...you want to hand them an entirely unprotected workforce? I thought you loved civil liberties Jay?

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However, I find it pointless to argue the TOTA NeoCons... they'll just keep whining regardless of what points you make. If they are losing precious dollars, they don't know how to shut the fuck up. Seriously, I think TOTA is only place in the world that would compain about a MINIMUM WAGE INCREASE.

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Last edited by dEsidEL on Mar-29-2008 at 16:20

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 Wow...there is some serious naivetee going on here. You all despise unions? Ok, the TTC union tends to stir up a lot of shit, but really people...if you think corporations are the ones who fought for realistic working weeks, job security, health benefits and worker's right to things like safety, etc...then you need some serious wake up calls. There was a reason for the formation of unions and mass general strikes in the western world during the last two centuries. Read some fucking history.

yes unions have done good, but what you gotta realize that they have been complaining every year that they dont get paid enough and have been going on strike every year for past 5 years at least. Sometimes having too much of a good thing can be bad for others.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 so you want to strip the Canadian worker's right to organise? In some work environments (such as industry, public service) still require unions because corporations are always looking for ways to fuck their workers. Believe me, I've seen it first hand. Five years ago when I had my city job in London I was looking after a facility during a lacrosse tournament. Some kid got his face smashed with a stick and there was blood all over the glass and floor and it was my job to clean it up. Trouble is there were no latex/rubber gloves that I could use so I refused to do it. My supervisor went ape shit after the coaches bitched so I called my union/HS rep and he came down. Turns out that kid had fucking Hep C and my "serve the corporation at all cost" boss didn't care if I was protected or not. That kind of shit happens all the time in the work industry. In some environments (offices, etc), unions are perhaps not necessary but my mother is a prime example of someone who has a good job but no job protection at all and could be walked out at a minute's notice if they find someone younger or want to cut costs. And some unions (like the TTC) are far too stubborn but the moment you take the right to organise away is just another liberty being eliminated. Corporations already run our fucking lives...you want to hand them an entirely unprotected workforce? I thought you loved civil liberties Jay?

wow thats fucked! I totally agree with you about having unions so workers have rights, because when in this history of corporations did they ever give a fuck about their workers? probably never. But the TTC union is going too far asking for wage increases every fucking year. They should all be fired and replaced with machines, more efficiency and less complaints.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 so you want to strip the Canadian worker's right to organise? In some work environments (such as industry, public service) still require unions because corporations are always looking for ways to fuck their workers. Believe me, I've seen it first hand. Five years ago when I had my city job in London I was looking after a facility during a lacrosse tournament. Some kid got his face smashed with a stick and there was blood all over the glass and floor and it was my job to clean it up. Trouble is there were no latex/rubber gloves that I could use so I refused to do it. My supervisor went ape shit after the coaches bitched so I called my union/HS rep and he came down. Turns out that kid had fucking Hep C and my "serve the corporation at all cost" boss didn't care if I was protected or not. That kind of shit happens all the time in the work industry. In some environments (offices, etc), unions are perhaps not necessary but my mother is a prime example of someone who has a good job but no job protection at all and could be walked out at a minute's notice if they find someone younger or want to cut costs. And some unions (like the TTC) are far too stubborn but the moment you take the right to organise away is just another liberty being eliminated. Corporations already run our fucking lives...you want to hand them an entirely unprotected workforce? I thought you loved civil liberties Jay?

I never said unions should be banned. But what i have said is that they have outlived their usefulness. The law is clearly on your side in the hep c case union or not. You could have refused the work and gone to the labour tribunal in the worst case scenario. That right is offered to everyone. In a place like china where i would argue that unions are necissary you dont have the same kind of laws and protection that you do here (thanks to union work from the past). I know a lot of people who have worked for a union and other than the great wages and benefits they complain ad naseum about how cumbersome it is even for them. I don't think it should require 3 pages of paperwork and 3 workers to change a light bulb at a hospital. But that is precisely what happens thanks to union rules.

Your summation of an "entirely unprotected workforce" are reaching in a country like Canada that affords a lot of protection through it's laws.

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Originally posted by Matt + 1 However, I find it pointless to argue the TOTA NeoCons... they'll just keep whining regardless of what points you make. If they are losing precious dollars, they don't know how to shut the fuck up. Seriously, I think TOTA is only place in the world that would compain about a MINIMUM WAGE INCREASE.

Now you know how i feel when socialist TOTAs complain about TAX DECREASES

PS im far from a neocon. More like a red tory

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Originally posted by dEsidEL imagine if all TTC passengers collectively decided to spit on union boss Bob Kinnear!

he would drown haha

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TTC is a joke. It lacks efficiency, cleanliness, quality service and its pricey as hell, and on top of all that the management has their head in the sand (figures, we live in toronto!!).

To the best of my knowledge we are one of the only major cities in the world that doesn't provide a direct commute from the airport to the city.

Solution = Hire an immigrant.

Solution = stop wasting tax money on pet prjects and get back to funding infrastructure. Also it's time to get the unions under some degree of control.

are we still striking?

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Originally posted by electro88 are we still striking?

hope so. i don't feel like going to class

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My friends dad has some sort of management position with TTC, makes good money.
Stays home half the time,takes it easy.

Another person I know, she's engineer at the company and they do some work for TTC. She said whenever they get any projects with them TTC goes crazy on spending money on some useless sh*t. For example they build garage, and TTC would request some additional stuff at crazy cost which is completely not necessary.

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