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Originally posted by VDub You know what guys??? The same arguments are being had here in Toronto as well... To me, minimal techno is a contradicion in terms.... I'm into the hard bangin stuff as well... Techno is supposed to drive you into a frenzy not put you to sleep.. Now that being said, there are a coupla tracks i can listen to and enjoy... Now we have Addy here whos bridged the gap by playing minimal at 130 and up... The speed makes it pound and therefor he's the only DJ I can listen to minimal with... This 126 bullshit is like elevator music...or good to drive to...keeps me from speeding... God remember Carl Cox up till last year...man he would kill me...

You obviously lack musical knowledge.

1- Minimal techno is not at all a contradiction in terms. Minimalism is a concept in art which can be applied to anything. There is minimal architecture, minimal conceptual art, minimal visual art, minimal writing, minimalistic furniture, minimalistic way of life.

So minimalism can also be applied to techno. The stripped-down, rythm-oriented, drums used as melodies parts of techno. MINIMALISM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TEMPO. Minimal techno can be 50 BPM or 1000 BPM. Although in the recent years, there has been a shift, and many techno DJs have slowed down their tempos (that is called a trend)

2- Music is not "supposed to drive you into a frenzy", it is "supposed" to do anything. You do with music what you want to do with it.

3- It is very difficult to discuss tastes. You have your own, stating you are "into banging techno". Fine. However, what is discussable is the music itself, and please educate yourself before posting

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Originally posted by VDub You know what guys??? The same arguments are being had here in Toronto as well... To me, minimal techno is a contradicion in terms.... I'm into the hard bangin stuff as well... Techno is supposed to drive you into a frenzy not put you to sleep.. Now that being said, there are a coupla tracks i can listen to and enjoy... Now we have Addy here whos bridged the gap by playing minimal at 130 and up... The speed makes it pound and therefor he's the only DJ I can listen to minimal with... This 126 bullshit is like elevator music...or good to drive to...keeps me from speeding... God remember Carl Cox up till last year...man he would kill me...

Lol

Where do you see bullshit in playing 126 nooblar ?

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Originally posted by Dj Nacht Wrong dude, most people love the stuff I listen too. The problem is that its not easy to get. Most of it comes out on wax which is only available in european shops. Shipping to Canada is a pain in the ass and unfortunately most people dont even use vinyl anymore here. If the song does eventually get released digitally it probably will not be on Beatport which means no fukin chance of ever being played in Montreal. Over here most of our Djs are playing the top 100 list on beatport in different orders. No wonder all the good guys from Montreal are leaving! They put so much effort into there music but the guys who play the top 100 list on beatport get more recognition. By the way I like Eric Prydz, he used to be my favorite producer a few years back. He created a new sound that was amazing but he is just abusing it now. It probably takes him less than a day to make his songs now. They are still good because he has mastered his own sound which is fine with me. I just don't understand why people have to always focus on one guy so much. Also I noticed you insult techno but did you know that the song good life that eric prydz remixed was produced by one of the biggest techno pioneers in the world.

You also stated what is one part of the problem. There is a big fraction of the population who go out to a club and are very happy to hear "their" track played. That track can be in a 80's club, a reggaeton club, or, for this forum, an EDM oriented club. Now there is also a small fraction of people (more or less us guys) who actually want to go out and discover new stuff. I personnally dont care that much that I dont know 90% of the tracks played. If thoses tracks amaze me, I'm happ.

There is always a shift between those two groups. It's a cultural thing, what people expect from art and music.

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Originally posted by julien2 You obviously lack musical knowledge. 1- Minimal techno is not at all a contradiction in terms. Minimalism is a concept in art which can be applied to anything. There is minimal architecture, minimal conceptual art, minimal visual art, minimal writing, minimalistic furniture, minimalistic way of life. So minimalism can also be applied to techno. The stripped-down, rythm-oriented, drums used as melodies parts of techno. MINIMALISM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TEMPO. Minimal techno can be 50 BPM or 1000 BPM. Although in the recent years, there has been a shift, and many techno DJs have slowed down their tempos (that is called a trend) 2- Music is not "supposed to drive you into a frenzy", it is "supposed" to do anything. You do with music what you want to do with it. 3- It is very difficult to discuss tastes. You have your own, stating you are "into banging techno". Fine. However, what is discussable is the music itself, and please educate yourself before posting

You missunderstand what I'm saying...

Techno to me is complicated fast music with lots of layers...

When you "minimalize" it, it loses its complexity which is what I love...

And like I said in my post...When minimal is played fast, it actually starts to sounds a little better...

You're absolutely right...It is a total question of preference...

I just don't understand how ppl can go from bangin music down to simple and slow in a matter of 2 years...

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Originally posted by FunKenLouis Lol Where do you see bullshit in playing 126 nooblar ?

Its boooorrrringgggg....




And don't think I'm a noob just cause it says feb 2008...

That date means squat...

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Originally posted by VDub You missunderstand what I'm saying... Techno to me is is complicated fast music with lots of layers... When you "minimalize" it, it loses its complexity which is what I love... And like I said in my post...When it's played fast, it actually sounds good... You're absolutely right...It is a total question of preference... I just don't understand how ppl can go from bangin music down to simple and slow in a matter of 2 years...

They mature and get to a level where they feel like moving on

Playing 140 bpm is fun when youre funked on speed and shit... but thats about it

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Originally posted by VDub Its boooorrrringgggg.... And don't think I'm a noob just cause it says feb 2008... That date means squat...

He wasn't making a reference to the date, but rather your narrow-mindness.

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Originally posted by VDub Its boooorrrringgggg.... And don't think I'm a noob just cause it says feb 2008... That date means squat...

Youre a noob for writing comments like boooooring

We can all agree that Laurent Garnier for exemple... is a master of techno music and all the genres surrounding it

You see him play over 130 all the time ?

No

The guy takes you on a trip and goes sometimes very very slow

It's all about taste and what youre looking for in music...

You obviously are looking for something fast... hard... etc

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Originally posted by FunKenLouis They mature and get to a level where they feel like moving on Playing 140 bpm is fun when youre funked on speed and shit... but thats about it

What's maturity got to do with it...

If a 19 year old goes into a minimal set for the first time, he's gonna think minimal is the shit because it's whats on...

He will have not have know the past of the scene and how the music was a coupla years ago...

And I don't like to hear everything at 140....trance yes...house no...techno...prolly 135 max...

But 126...cmon man....so boring...

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Originally posted by VDub You missunderstand what I'm saying... Techno to me is is complicated fast music with lots of layers... When you "minimalize" it, it loses its complexity which is what I love... And like I said in my post...When it's played fast, it actually sounds good... You're absolutely right...It is a total question of preference... I just don't understand how ppl can go from bangin music down to simple and slow in a matter of 2 years...

Oh, I understand what you mean. It is also a common mistake to think that more sounds (or layers, as you say) actually means more complexity.

I am not saying you are wrong and I am right, don't worry.

But minimalism is a concept that is hard to understand, some people understand it and simply don't like it, and some people simply never understand it

The concept of "less is more" is hard to grasp. Maybe someday you will learn to appreciate the music and understand that less sounds can actually mean more complex music

In the meantime, keep supporting your scene

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Originally posted by Techo Head Forget about all this minimal and electro crap and go back to the basics - music that you want dance your ass off to all night - even sober.

yes!

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