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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Which is exactly my point. Why should the community at large subsidise the wage costs of small business? Business should be paying their staff adequate minimum wages to begin with.

I'm 100% with you on that one, but with the system being the way it is, the only person you're hurting if you don't give a tip is the small fry.

It sucks, but unless you want to do some lobbying, there's not much you can do to the actual business. Besides boycotting the whole thing I suppose.

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Originally posted by DJ Neovig I'm 100% with you on that one, but with the system being the way it is, the only person you're hurting if you don't give a tip is the small fry. It sucks, but unless you want to do some lobbying, there's not much you can do to the actual business. Besides boycotting the whole thing I suppose.

its ok mate; living in australia means i dont feel bad about not tipping, as we have a pretty good minimum wage

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Its ok; living in Tasmania means I don't feel bad about not tipping, as we don't have a minimum age and we're all related.

who tips in Australia?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN dont argue with the yanks nutter, they know best!

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Originally posted by kadomony btw, i think Domino's online ordering system is amazing. You can actually track your pizza's progress.

unfortunately their pizza is ftl of all the chains imho

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Originally posted by eROs.au who tips in Australia?

steve irwin once tipped













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Originally posted by trunks1022 unfortunately their pizza is ftl of all the chains imho

Round table is the best chain IMO.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Which is exactly my point. Why should the community at large subsidise the wage costs of small business? Business should be paying their staff adequate minimum wages to begin with.

As much of a pain in the ass as it is to tip, I'll take it over the employer paying a higher wage to the employee and the service being likely more expensive as a result. Tips give employees an incentive to work well. For example, waiters try to present themselves nicely by smiling and acting friendly, etc. It results in a more pleasurable experience. In Lithuania, where tipping at restaurants does not seem to be a common practice, I typically get the menu thrown on the table and hardly a word or a smile from the waitress. What does it matter to her? She'll get paid the same anyways.

Some services, however, are too easy and don't require much effort and as such should not be expecting tips. Valet parking is one. What am I tipping the guy for, especially when arriving? To not crash my car on the way to the parking spot? How hard is it to park a car? Unless I want him to park it in some special spot I don't see why a tip should be expected. Maybe when departing, a tip could be deserved if my car is pulled up very quickly. But even then, there is no real reason why it should take more or less time to do. You go to the car and drive it over. Pretty simple.
As far as pizza delivery goes, I suppose tipping could give the driver incentive to get to my house faster, but other than that I don't see the point of it.

Oh and don't get me started on automatically included gratuity at some restaurants...

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Originally posted by Elec As much of a pain in the ass as it is to tip, I'll take it over the employer paying a higher wage to the employee and the service being likely more expensive as a result. Tips give employees an incentive to work well. For example, waiters try to present themselves nicely by smiling and acting friendly, etc. It results in a more pleasurable experience. In Lithuania, for example, where tipping at restaurants does not seem to be a common practice, I typically get the menu thrown on the table and hardly a word or a smile from the waitress. What does it matter to her? She'll get paid the same anyways. Some services, however, really should not be expecting tips. Valet parking is one. What am I tipping the guy for? To not crash my car? How hard is it to park a car? Unless I want him to park it in some special spot I don't see why a tip should be expected. Oh and don't get me started on automatically included gratuity at some restaurants...

Businesses, like you described in your post, would fail terribly in Australia. We pay our delivery/bar/wait staff a decent enough minimum wage, and people here rarely tip. That said, I have rarely been to a restaurant and had 'the menu thrown on the table and hardly a word or a smile.'

As a member of the staff, you're expected to conduct yourself as such. If you don't? You get your arse kicked, and/or fired. PLENTY of other people to replace someone with a surly/shitty attitude, and since the restaurant game is SO competitive here, the managers won't stand for that kind of bullshit - It fucks their reputation.

I don't care what your job is, or what you get paid - You either do it professionally, or fuck off and find a different job. Good luck getting a reference.

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^^^Agreed, but I still almost always tip. I appreciate the service and loose change is loose change. The jobs are shit and not that bloody highly paid.

Also, it's my culture to tip well anyway and combine that with working in hospitality means I tip quite damn well. Having said that though, you will never ever get a tip from me if the service is bad. That's just stupid.

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Originally posted by Sushipunk Businesses, like you described in your post, would fail terribly in Australia. We pay our delivery/bar/wait staff a decent enough minimum wage, and people here rarely tip. That said, I have rarely been to a restaurant and had 'the menu thrown on the table and hardly a word or a smile.' As a member of the staff, you're expected to conduct yourself as such. If you don't? You get your arse kicked, and/or fired. PLENTY of other people to replace someone with a surly/shitty attitude, and since the restaurant game is SO competitive here, the managers won't stand for that kind of bullshit - It fucks their reputation. I don't care what your job is, or what you get paid - You either do it professionally, or fuck off and find a different job. Good luck getting a reference.

So are you saying that most delivery/bar/wait staff in Australia are paid the minimum wage? What is it in Australia? Just wondering, not arguing. I would love to have good service with no need to tip but I guess in some places it just wouldn't happen.

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Originally posted by Zewad Question: If it says that a delivery charge is added to ordering pizza does that mean that it's basically a tip?

that's the excuse Carl Cox uses

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