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Clovis
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Registered: Apr 2004
Location: Los Angeles

quote:
Originally posted by Nostalgic
Just...move to Europe then?



Nope, I can't leave California. I'm staring out the window at another beautiful warm day.

I think we're catching up to Europe in some parts anyway, I hope the trend continues.


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Clovis
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Registered: Apr 2004
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Many European politicians would probably claim to be religious if asked, too. Does that mean we should use "religion" as an explanation for anything bad that happens in Europe?

Ideas like "the entire political system in the U.S. is awash in Bible-thumping" don't wash as an explanation for the RAVE Act when it is often decidedly liberal and not fundie-religious politicians who are proposing and sponsoring the bills.

I would say a better explanation is simply that the American political environment as a whole is suffused with fear and disdain for foreign and unfamiliar things, a category that includes raves.



I don't think Carl meant to say that Religion is directly responsible like that, I think he means the over all cultural effect of having such a strong religious lobby and complex is what is to blame.


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DOOMBOT
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kadomony
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Registered: Jul 2004
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KiNeTiC ENeRgY
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Registered: Oct 2003
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Originally posted by Clovis
I don't think Carl meant to say that Religion is directly responsible like that, I think he means the over all cultural effect of having such a strong religious lobby and complex is what is to blame.


Exactly. I was trying to convey that message indirectly but failed I guess.

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Pete K
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Registered: Aug 2002
Location: Music City

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Originally posted by RJT
Regardless of how poor this sentence is grammatically, it definitely speaks to how EDM and the club scene in general works in the U.S.

Money talks, bullshit walks. People are so caught up in the superficial that there is absolutely no room for, and not really any thought of, people who just absolutely love electronic music.

Does this mean those folks don't exist? Absolutely not. Some of the worlds most passionate electronic musicians and DJ's come from the U.S. - unfortunately the rest of society is so far "up it's own ass" that they could give fuck all about giving anything that isn't top 40 or hip hop a chance in a club, so club owners don't bother pushing it more because they know they'll make money doing what works rather than taking a chance.

Just getting people through the door for a night of electronic music is a massive challenge, but getting them to stay there once they've arrived can often times be an even bigger challenge.

Great interview.



Great point.


I live in Nashville the last place most people would think there was any type of dance scene.


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Jeremy H
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Registered: Jan 2003
Location: Stockholm, Sweden

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I would love for Detroit to be a new city, you know, New Detroit, like in Robocop.

Interesting read though.

Saw him spin here in Sweden about a month ago. Had an awesome time


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LionsLair
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Registered: Jul 2007
Location: Los Angeles

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
This should be true of Western Europe too, since all Western European countries (UK, France, Germany, Holland, Spain, Italy, Sweden, Norway, Denmark) are capitalist. However, these countries have all nurtured electronic music even when capitalist institutions haven't.

I think a Marxist explanation like yours rings true in the US not so much because of the capitalism (although I admit it's more rampant in the US than in Europe), but because the US is very under-populated compared to Europe. There's a lot of distance between population centres and it's harder for underground scenes to spread and become movements. The size and relatively sparse population in the US means that the media is much more influential in the spread and dictation of ideology and cultural products, because only things lik TV can reach a large percentage of the people at once, thus making widespread culture much more controlled.


Western Europe follows a capitalist system, but there system is much more laid back and not nowhere at America's level, and not nearly as effeciency and productivity driven. I mean in western European countries they have things like Free Healthcare and Free College education. They have relaxed things like Tea Time in the middle of work hours. So the capitalist system in Western Europe is nowhere whip and shackles like it is in America, its far more laid back and there is stronger solidarity which reflects onto the scene. And then like I said earlier you have the cultures, they are more tight knit and overlapping in socio economic standings, and they have a common race amongst eachother.

I think you make a good point about how spaced out America is and that the media has more power in their dictation on culture, but Im not sure if that stops underground scenes from happening. I think underground scenes can happen regardless of the power of the government and the media, and probably a driver for the creation of Underground scenes as rebellious movements against the power of government, media, and social norms.

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SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by LionsLair
I think you make a good point about how spaced out America is and that the media has more power in their dictation on culture, but Im not sure if that stops underground scenes from happening. I think underground scenes can happen regardless of the power of the government and the media, and probably a driver for the creation of Underground scenes as rebellious movements against the power of government, media, and social norms.


I didn't say they can't happen- I said they find it very hard to spread.


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quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I didn't say they can't happen- I said they find it very hard to spread.


Why would an Underground scene spread? Doesnt that defeat its purpose and creation, because it cant spread?

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SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by LionsLair
Why would an Underground scene spread? Doesnt that defeat its purpose and creation, because it cant spread?


Ever heard of the Second Summer of Love?

When an underground scene spreads, it becomes a youth culture movement. Eventually it will be commercialised and become part of the mainstream lexicon. Then its trendiness will expire and it will fall into a middle ground.


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Ever heard of the Second Summer of Love?

When an underground scene spreads, it becomes a youth culture movement. Eventually it will be commercialised and become part of the mainstream lexicon. Then its trendiness will expire and it will fall into a middle ground.

I don't know, it seems like a pretty risky road.

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