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Originally posted by ******** Actually there are a number of people who think that the people in the desert - and Moses may have been high on a drug such as Ergot. Ergot shows up time and time again in ancient "supernatural" experiences, not only in Asia but also in Europe and even the Americas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergot I think God having a hand in things would be just as plausable - bearing of the nature of reality itself... however drugs may offer some type of connection with the divine that otherwise may not be noticed, for whatever aspect of divine or supernatural there to. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmacological_cult

For one to write books such as Ezekiel and Relevation, you'de have to be...

1. REALLY trippin.
2. Authentic divine experience.
3. Both?

The bible strangely flows though. From book to book, the bible has this flow and cohesion. I really don't believe all of bible authors were trippin out on psychedelics. Otherwise, all of their books would be completely contradictory to each other.

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I don't think so. I think the books make perfect sense if you understand the symbols, imagery, and context within which the author was writing. Just like Shakespeare which isn't even old compared to the Bible you have to know the context, and other things before you can begin to understand and appreciate the works.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Don't worry bro, I'm not a Lucifarian... although I certainly considered it and masonry .

But in defence of Masonry, there's nothing inherently wrong with it and Masons can be very likable people who you can have fantastic intellectually stimulating converstations with on just about any subject .

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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

Alien life could be part of creation: Vatican


http://www.thespec.com/article/368629

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May 14, 2008 The Associated Press VATICAN CITY (May 14, 2008) Believing that the universe may contain alien life does not contradict a faith in God, the Vatican's chief astronomer said yesterday. Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes, the Jesuit director of the Vatican Observatory, was quoted as saying the vastness of the universe means it is possible there could be other forms of life outside Earth, even intelligent ones. "How can we rule out that life may have developed elsewhere?" he said. "Just as we consider earthly creatures as 'a brother,' ... why should we not talk about an 'extraterrestrial brother'? It would still be part of creation." In the interview by the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano, Funes said that such a notion "doesn't contradict our faith" because aliens would still be God's creatures.

http://www.thespec.com/article/368647

Einstein letter details religious skepticism

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May 14, 2008 The Associated Press London (May 14, 2008) A letter being auctioned in London this week is sure to add fuel to the long-simmering debate about the religious views of Albert Einstein. In the note, written a year before his death, the Nobel Prize-winning physicist dismisses the idea of God as the product of human weakness and the Bible as "pretty childish." The letter, handwritten in German, is being sold by Bloomsbury Auctions tomorrow. It is expected to fetch between $12,000 and $16,000. Einstein, who helped unravel the mysteries of the universe with his theory of relativity, often expressed complex and arguably contradictory views on faith. He apparently perceived a universe suffused with spirituality while rejecting organized religion. The letter up for sale was written to philosopher Eric Gutkind in January 1954 and suggests that Einstein's view on religion did not mellow with age. In it, Einstein said that "the word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses."

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Alien life could be part of creation: Vatican http://www.thespec.com/article/368629

Since when did the vatican endorse hallucinogens? Is it part of canon law now ?

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Since when did the vatican endorse hallucinogens? Is it part of canon law now ?

There is no evidence that any of the canonical authors were on hallucinogens when they wrote their books. That theory has some serious problems.

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Originally posted by Krypton There is no evidence that any of the canonical authors were on hallucinogens when they wrote their books. That theory has some serious problems.

LOL, it was a joke dude .

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z LOL, it was a joke dude .

ohh... well you know, some people actually believe it as a fact..

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Originally posted by ******** The early church edited and compiled the bible, rejecting some holy scriptures while including others -- oddly Revelations just barely made the cut. There are lots of other "divinely inspired" writtings, that just didn't make it into the catholic bible. The Letter of Clement I The Didache: The Lord's Teaching Through the Twelve Apostles to the Nations. First Apology by Justin Martyr The Gospel of Thomas The Gospel of the Hebrews The Infancy Gospel of Thomas Book of Jasher Apocryphon of James Protoevangelium of James Dialogue of the Savior Gospel of Philip Gospel of Truth Gospel of Nicodemus Gospel of Bartholomew The Acts of Paul The Acts of Thecla The Acts of Peter and Paul Apocalypse of Paul Apocalypse of Paul Enoch Jubilees Esdras (Apocalypse of Ezra) Meqabyan etc.... etc... ---------------- ------------------ St. Jerome's Bible was one of the First, and the first official roman catholic bible. or the first universal church bible.

If a book did not fit the following criteria, it was not accepted as biblical canon...

1. Apostolic Origin — attributed to and based on the preaching/teaching of the first-generation apostles (or their close companions).

2. Universal Acceptance — acknowledged by all major Christian communities in the ancient world (by the end of the fourth century).

3. Liturgical Use — read publicly when early Christian communities gathered for the Lord's Supper (their weekly worship services).

4. Consistent Message — containing a theological outlook similar or complementary to other accepted Christian writings.

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If a book did not fit this criteria it was not divinely inspired. I still wouldn't consider the contradictory NON-CANON books to be evidence for the theory the authors were trippin off hallucinogens...

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The point is not wether or not there is a god? Wether you believe in god or not? If you do believe than wether you 'worship' a god or not?

But whatever relegion you are born in, never insult or disrespect a god by doing something stupid like spitting on his idol face... or urinating on it idol.. cos the day you do it, you start seeing ghosts.. in your dreams.. and you that always present instinct tells you someone is staring at you when you are sleeping..

You understand what I am trying to say? Its ok that you dont believe in god and stuff.. but dont disown it.. it takes that protection from you.