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| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Clovis, Clovis, Clovis... do you see what you are saying? You are basically saying that I can't possibly be intelligent about the issue unless I believe your side of things. Thank you for proving my point. I'm telling you that I have the opinions/beliefs I do BECAUSE I've read and studied both sides. You are being pushed in the direction you are because of political bullshit, and the super slanted agenda driven liberal media... so that is what you are reading and researching. I don't blindly believe what people tell me to believe, I look at both sides, then come up with a reasonable idea. After you read the book I suggested, and get at least an idea about the side you aren't even willing to listen to, then you can comment on who is ignorant. Until then, take it easy with the personal attacks man... I never tried to make this personal on anyone. Jesus |
Here are the sides, pay attention because this is what is actually happening in real life right now:
A. Reality. What exists concretely in the world. Knowledge and factual information collected over time by individuals highly specialized and knowledgable in their fields. Widely held consensus. General fact.
B. The following statements by you:
| quote: | | So what if we have doubled the amount of carbon dioxide we've put into the air in 25 years? it used to be 16 out of every 100,000 molecules in the air were CO2, and now it's 32 out of every 100,000... if you look at the context of that, you'll see it makes no difference. |
| quote: | | I'm not saying pollution doesn't exist, I'm saying it's not the fucking dire emergency that people make it out to be. |
| quote: | | but the fact is that for at least 15 or 20 years, oil is the engine that drives the economy, and there is nothing even remotely close to replacing it. |
Which are vague, nonsensical, and largely factually wrong.
This is not a debate of viewpoints. The only person here with a "viewpoint" is you, I am attempting to explain to you what is actually the case in real life, on this planet.
On this planet, the CO2 we are extracting from its underground depths and pumping into the atosphere at (currently) 28 billion tons per year, has a profound effect on many other things than just climate.
Pollution on earth is very much real, and very much devastating, had you actually read that book I recommended, you would understand this, and everything I'm about to briefly explain.
For the next 15 to 20 years, oil probably will continue to run the world, especially with folks like you so adamant anout keeping the pumps flowing and refusing anything else, and we probably will double, triple, quadruple our emissions and carbon output. More reefs in the ocean will die, destroying entire eco-systems because of the rate at which the ocean is having to absorb carbon from the atmosphere. Billions more tons of plastic, trash, and runoff will invariably make their way to the sea. Landfills in major cities will continue to expand. Stockpiles of tires will reach mind boggling sizes. Thousands, millions of acres of rainforest, which could offer the best buffer against rising CO2 levels, will continue to be decimated. The list goes on of problems with the earth's health. Once again, these are all actually HAPPENING. You cannot argue against these if you believe in common sense and reality.
In essense, you can choose A squad or B squad. By acknowledging A squad, you can start helping find solutions, and stop cock blocking people who are spending their lives trying to tackle these complex and important problems. By staying on B squad, you are aiding and abetting everything I just wrote about in the above paragraph. Take your pick.
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Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does. |
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