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Originally posted by DigiNut [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=#99CCEE]It seems like the Linux weenies actually have finally settled on the "best" distro, that being Ubuntu

Yea, but whenever I complained that this or that didn't work, that first suggestion was always to try a different distro. "I don't have that problem with Fedora! You should use that!"

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Yea, but whenever I complained that this or that didn't work, that first suggestion was always to try a different distro. "I don't have that problem with Fedora! You should use that!"

I'm surprised, usually they just tell you to open up the kernel source code and debug it yourself, and then go through 38 different configuration screens and run 8 scripts to recompile it and then run 3 more scripts to install it. "Use the source, Luke!" (I really want to punch them in the face for that nerd pun).

Hell, this crap is part of what I do for a living and it even makes me sick to my stomach. This shit ain't fun, I don't want to do it unless I'm getting paid for it.

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Originally posted by DigiNut I don't want to do it unless I'm getting paid for it.

but doesn't that defeat the purpose of the open source paradigm

(I'm not mocking you, i'm mocking crapux)

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And the only old RAM that is expensive is PC800/RDRAM/RAMBUS - aka most 2001 PCs.

Hahah, speaking of RDRAM, anybody else remember the Intel i820/MTH fiasco? That was awesome.

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Originally posted by malek linux is useless... no one ever mentions it in big corps.

lol ... how would you know? please go back to your kitchen.

by the way this very site is running on linux.

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Originally posted by DigiNut It seems like the Linux weenies actually have finally settled on the "best" distro, that being Ubuntu, but sadly it's still a piece of mouse shit.

and when did this happened ? was there any congress where this was voted ? and why won't you do something to make it better?

surprising statement, coming from the well spoken, never wrong and always right DigiNut. I'm kind of disappointed now If you don't 'get it' what can we expect from the illiterate masses.

People, Linux and open source computing is about freedom and making a stand for our rights, it is what brings balance in world controlled by corporations and money. It is an statement about building a better future.

"We want to be free to ride our machines without being hassled by The Man."

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Originally posted by neuromancer People, Linux and open source computing is about freedom and making a stand for our rights, it is what brings balance in world controlled by corporations and money. It is an statement about building a better future.

Oh man, gotta wipe this tear from my eye...

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Originally posted by neuromancer lol ... how would you know? please go back to your kitchen. by the way this very site is running on linux.

bahahahah and this is a big corp website ( no offence to swamper )?

I work at CGI, biggest IT company in Canada, 26000 employees worldwide, if you are ever looking for a job, let me know they are hiring in TO (I'll make 4k off your back for reference)

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Originally posted by malek bahahahah and this is a big corp website ( no offence to swamper )?

That was not the point, it was only an example of how Linux do have part in our everyday life.

Needles to say there is plenty (if not more) of corporate sites and entire infrastructures running on Linux. Amazon, Yahoo, Novell, Google and a zillion more. I'm also sure there is some Linux running at CGI.

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Originally posted by malek I work at CGI, biggest IT company in Canada, 26000 employees worldwide,

Doing what on CGI, hopefully not IT. I made a search in the Careers section and there is a lot of offerings for programmers/sysadmins with open source software experience, I wonder what they need them for.

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Originally posted by malek if you are ever looking for a job, let me know they are hiring in TO (I'll make 4k off your back for reference)

Thanks, but no Mr corporate troll. I have my own business, while not as big as CGI it produces enough to pay for my drugs without having to sell my soul.

The point is that your statement :

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Originally posted by malek linux is useless... no one ever mentions it in big corps.

is patently false and pure trolling.


hehe today i earned my linux zealot title, sorry for the hijack

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Malek is right. Linux is OK for servers but it's utterly useless as a desktop OS.

Every single year we hear that Linux is really truly seriously going to take off this year, and Microsoft better shape up because they're going to get killed. Halloween Files, ooooh! Yeah, I've read the Cathedral and the Bazaar too, but you guys have had what, 20 years to come up with a desktop OS that Mom can use? Face it, you just can't do it. All of the theorizing and rhetoric in the world can't change that.

Good software requires more than a lot of nerd programmers with too much spare time to develop. You need designers, proofreaders, translators, testers, architects, hell, you need lawyers to make sure you can't get sued for putting the wrong word in a dialog box.

Every open source weenie I've ever spoken to only seems to understand one facet of the software process: writing code. It's as if we still live in a world where it's OK to make users fiddle with command-line tools and edit config files by hand. Where the UI only needs to be in English and the core only needs to be tested with the 10 most popular motherboards and video cards. QA? Pfft, if it compiles then commit! You guys may have raised the bar for programmers with distributed source control, but when it comes to actual design and process, you're still living in the dark ages.

That's why Linux will never work in the corporate world. Sure, it's free, technically, but the TCO is about five times as much as Windows when you factor in the support costs and lowered productivity. It's impossible to manage centrally, there's no vendor support, and it's giant fucking pain in the ass for Doris in Accounting who can't even remember how to use the Ctrl-Alt... what was it? Page Down?

In your earlier post you actually used the term "illiterate masses". Guess what: those are your customers. You can't treat them as being beneath you if you want them to give a shit about your efforts. They pay your bills. Although I guess as long as it's Open Source, then your bills somehow pay themselves.

FOSS is nothing more than software communism. It works sometimes in little micro-economies like the kibbutzim in Israel and hippie love-fests, but it just can't survive on a worldwide scale. It's hyper-idealistic and ignores just a few too many basic economic realities. Basically, it only works if every single person involved in any way is totally committed to the ideal, and outside the very narrow community of open-source contributors, nobody is committed to that ideal. Grandma is definitely not committed. FOSS is good for one thing and that's making software marketed toward programmers. Because - surprise surprise, most people are inherently selfish and are only really interested in making stuff that benefits them.

You go ahead and stick it to the man. Personally, I've got more important things to do than waste my time digging through bash scripts. I've got a job to do. Bills to pay.


P.S. Sorry for the O/T but I think we answered that question sufficiently anyway...

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