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Originally posted by Ray_Chappell That's entirely different. That is the result of consumers ripping off an artist and avoiding buying (hence, sales). This is allegedly the case of a label ripping off an artist based on the actual sales. Apples and oranges.

Yeh, you have a point. Still hate what the music industry has come to these days.

& as far as the original post I only sold once exclusive rights to a DJ. Never a label, and for all I know that track can have a label now lol.
I really don't care though.

If I ever think my skills are label worthy on a consistent basis and its not just an accidental good track, then I'll make sure to cover all my ground. But for now, not really a concern.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Yeh, you have a point. Still hate what the music industry has come to these days.

No argument here.

They should at least send you a statement even if you did tell them they can keep the earnings you are still entitled to a statement. As for how much money people usually make off of productions it really isn't much. Most of the money is made off of touring as a DJ/LivePA once your productions get your foot in the door.

A good example I like to use is Derek Howell from Houston, Texas. Signed with Bedrock back in 2004 had Digweed praising and playing his productions has a lot of tracks on well known mix compilations, but he waits tables during the day and has a tough time getting gigs in his home state.

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Originally posted by Zild A good example I like to use is Derek Howell from Houston, Texas. Signed with Bedrock back in 2004 had Digweed praising and playing his productions has a lot of tracks on well known mix compilations, but he waits tables during the day and has a tough time getting gigs in his home state.

Yeah, but part of that is because of where we live. You know what the scene is like here in the southern U.S. Most of the my DJ friends are getting booked out of town a hell of a lot more than around here. Kind o sad really.

True but what I'm saying is to really make any money. Good enough money to pay bills etc... You have to get pretty big and tour around. Even then a lot of DJ and producers that tour around the world still only pull down enough to cover bills, food, clothes, expences etc... Only a rare few get rich from music.

If I could make enough touring just to scrape by I would do it in a heartbeat.

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I think this will eventually and have made producers quit making music.

Its not the labels fault though, because nobody hardly ever buys music anymore.

Ive already been at several parties at friends where Youtube, actually was the main source for music.

Imagine when youtube starts using quality sound (192kbps++)

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Originally posted by Zild You have to get pretty big and tour around. Even then a lot of DJ and producers that tour around the world still only pull down enough to cover bills, food, clothes, expences etc... Only a rare few get rich from music. If I could make enough touring just to scrape by I would do it in a heartbeat.

Yeah, but traditionally this has always been the way it works in the music business. Bands make their money from touring and merchandising. Its the record label that makes money from album sales and licensing deals. When a traditional band signs a record deal, the label is providing them a "loan" that they expect to be paid back with the proceeds from album sales.

So with that situation, the main thing the record label provides for the artist is the facilities to make an album (studio time) and promotion. Before the last decade or so, the only way to make a professional album was to record it in a multi-milion dollar studio, and only labels could afford to pay the hourly rates in such a studio.

Now, with music technology becoming more available to the average consumer, especially in the EDM arena, the need for recording in those big studios is diminished, and it is a lot easier for the indie artist to ge tracks released on a variety of label, which is why the EDM market is flooded with releases. It's just so easy to get some software and make music nowadays.

So really nothing has changed. If you want to make money, you pretty much have to tour. This is true for bands, DJ's, producers, pretty music anyone who wants to make a living in the music business. The only other jobs where you can make good money as a musician revolve around "renting" your time, say as a producer for things like commercial music, or as a session musician.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Is someone complaining about not making money off of music? ha! How do you think top artists feel who do nothing but make music all day all year and know millions of people are ripping their shit off limewire/bearshare/piratebay? I understand why you're mad but it can always be much worse.

Agreed, his problem is that he is putting his time and effort into something that has no positive end. If you say you got so much better, well then by all means keep producing and keep refining your sound, dont focus on a lucky hit you have(or may not have) had. Plus your arist name and track name seem just be taken as a joke, i suggest fix that, because i would never want to be associated with something called "party time". In the end all i can say is move on and grow a pair, you got screwed over, good; maybe you will learn from your mistakes.

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Originally posted by Subtle Ive already been at several parties at friends where Youtube, actually was the main source for music. Imagine when youtube starts using quality sound (192kbps++)

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Its quite sad i know, especially when i have friends who are just budding into EDM. I will talk about a certain song in conversation, and when they get home i will usually get a phone call or IM saying they found track on youtube.

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Originally posted by Stef De Roux Agreed, his problem is that he is putting his time and effort into something that has no positive end. If you say you got so much better, well then by all means keep producing and keep refining your sound, dont focus on a lucky hit you have(or may not have) had. Plus your arist name and track name seem just be taken as a joke, i suggest fix that, because i would never want to be associated with something called "party time". In the end all i can say is move on and grow a pair, you got screwed over, good; maybe you will learn from your mistakes.

I have moved on this is why i was embarrassed to show you lot! my new name is Sonic coinscidence and I make melodic trance my first love in music. electro was a little side thing I think and something I am glad to be rid of.

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Originally posted by Zild A good example I like to use is Derek Howell from Houston, Texas. Signed with Bedrock back in 2004 had Digweed praising and playing his productions has a lot of tracks on well known mix compilations, but he waits tables during the day and has a tough time getting gigs in his home state.

I'm in the Houston area, wonder which restaurant Derek Howell works at. I don't see why he doesn't tour abroad, overseas and elsewhere. Houston is all hip hop and rap, although you will usually hear sandstorm about mid set.

It is sad that there's not much money in producing. I'm not a DJ. I've been in rock and metal bands, I don't do that anymore. I'm getting remixes released on Bonzai music now, even one upcoming on Bonzai progressive trance. I'm happy with that, but I know it doesn't mean much nowadays. I'm currently branching off into producing alternative rock, and doing some session work. I'm keeping my day job though. It's all a hobby that generates a little extra cash.

Party Time is nothing to be ashamed of. Sounds like standard electro to me. Simple, but I suppose a lot of electro is like that. I'm not into electro or anything, haven't heard much of it. People like your track, that's all that matters. You generated interest with that track, so that's a great start. Just carry that over to the Trance world. Let's Play House has a good promotions department too I bet, that helps a lot. Too bad they treat their artists badly.

Sounds like the label is not answering your emails, ignoring you, whatever. Not much you can do. Send them a fake letter from a "lawyer", tell them you at least want a sales statement. I found their myspace page http://www.myspace.com/letsplayhouserecordings
You are listed on there as a "band member". Last login was 8/2/2008. Someone is still around updating the page.

yeah I would love to get on Bonzai! i have a myspace friend who got signed to them called Orelse and they paid him 50 euros up front. Not a lot i know but I think its an achievment.

Im gonna send a myspace email first just saying im interested to know how many sold. im glad you think it sounds standard I didnt even know what a compressor was back then absolutely no mastering in there at all. thanks to all that have took the time to help Ill post an update when i gert a reply

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