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pkcRAISTLIN
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Registered: Jul 2002
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quote:
Originally posted by shaolin_Z
The people who generally respond, especially to "conspiracy" threads, are those who are driven; they're either driven by principle or out of fear. People who're insecure about their opinions or world view need constant validation, especially from an "authoritative" source. They also vehemently lash out against anyone who says anything contrary to it. Those who are driven by principle feel a need to raise awareness or draw attention to the truth of a matter. The irony though is, that both extremes ends of the spectrum here can make an individual obsessive and the likely hood of people taking one seriously decreases significantly, depending on the individual of course. The internet can be a great medium for communication and information, but it is also the most anonymous place one can be. Which means you'll run in to a lot of assholes inevitably, or people who at least turn in to ones depending on the subject or issue at hand. You can't reason with assholes or be civil. People generally don't act anywhere near as inconsiderate or uncivil in person, as they're not at a safe distance... which also means you can't beat the fuck out them either if they really cross the line and are disrespectful to you as person... which I have found to be the case, the more marginalized the perspective is or 'intellectually' unfashionable, which the truth usually is. The only way to deal with them is to ignore them; don't feed the trolls, and there's certainly no reason to let them effect your emotional state... you're only giving them power over you by doing so and they bring out the worst in you, in turn making you look bad for the shit slinging they started with their constant antagonistic nonsense. They'll give you all sorts of reasons, or excuses rather, defensively. They even believe their own excuses, disingenuity and dishonesty are natural consequences if one can't or refuses to deal with reality. Seriously dude, fuck em. There's no reason for you to ruin your day or waste your time with condescending and uncivil people who have no interest in actual discussion or debate. While I do think over the years you've posted some great information and things that seriously opened my eyes to certain issues, I think you should have learned by now that most people really don't give a fuck about anything other than their checkbook. Trust me, I learned the hard way... before I only touched issues I could definitively prove, usually regarding our foreign policy. As a minority, and a person growing up in multiple countries and cultures, I don't suffer from a nationalistic bias or it's milder much more civil form, patriotism. I could always see things from an outsiders perspective and they're plenty of inhumane, unjust, barbaric and morally bankrupt elements that dominants features of American foreign policy post WW2. I first though people's denial and / or apathy stemmed form the fact that they weren't directly affected by any of these atrocities or injustices. Only after 9-11, when I dared to touch things I knew I would have a hard time supporting leaving the framework of academia, is when I truly found out just how weak, selfish and / or pathetic so many people are and how denial of elementary truths are sort of one of the unspoken defining characteristics.

To sum up, you can't really do much. The problem isn't simply ignorance, or just plain ignorance and apathy. The neurosis is more severe than that. It's intense indoctrination and a comfort zone people are unwilling to leave. There's nothing you can do about that. You can't make someone care or eager to be informed. That's only a choice that can be made by individuals on a personal level. The sooner you realize this the less of your time you will waste, and the less negative reactions you'll get from people.

EDIT: And before someone takes this personally, keep in mind I mentioned no one in particular.


you could've saved yourself a lot of time if you'd just said 'trancer, people don't like arrogant liars that only ever post long-winded opinion pieces from other people and never ever broach a subject themselves'. its that simple.


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I just think that it's funny that I actually have an entire gaggle of trolls whose pathetic little lives have come to revolve around their constantly following me from post to post in the attempt to discredit me in the hopes of discouraging others from listening to what I've been saying.

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XaNaX
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I'm a government agent, my work here is now done so I don't mind blowing my cover. All your posts have been recorded. Some of you will be rounded up and sent to the extermination camps shortly.

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Kinezi
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quote:
Originally posted by shaolin_Z
The people who generally respond, especially to "conspiracy" threads, are those who are driven; they're either driven by principle or out of fear. People who're insecure about their opinions or world view need constant validation, especially from an "authoritative" source. They also vehemently lash out against anyone who says anything contrary to it. Those who are driven by principle feel a need to raise awareness or draw attention to the truth of a matter. The irony though is, that both extremes ends of the spectrum here can make an individual obsessive and the likely hood of people taking one seriously decreases significantly, depending on the individual of course. The internet can be a great medium for communication and information, but it is also the most anonymous place one can be. Which means you'll run in to a lot of assholes inevitably, or people who at least turn in to ones depending on the subject or issue at hand. You can't reason with assholes or be civil. People generally don't act anywhere near as inconsiderate or uncivil in person, as they're not at a safe distance... which also means you can't beat the fuck out them either if they really cross the line and are disrespectful to you as person... which I have found to be the case, the more marginalized the perspective is or 'intellectually' unfashionable, which the truth usually is. The only way to deal with them is to ignore them; don't feed the trolls, and there's certainly no reason to let them effect your emotional state... you're only giving them power over you by doing so and they bring out the worst in you, in turn making you look bad for the shit slinging they started with their constant antagonistic nonsense. They'll give you all sorts of reasons, or excuses rather, defensively. They even believe their own excuses, disingenuity and dishonesty are natural consequences if one can't or refuses to deal with reality. Seriously dude, fuck em. There's no reason for you to ruin your day or waste your time with condescending and uncivil people who have no interest in actual discussion or debate. While I do think over the years you've posted some great information and things that seriously opened my eyes to certain issues, I think you should have learned by now that most people really don't give a fuck about anything other than their checkbook. Trust me, I learned the hard way... before I only touched issues I could definitively prove, usually regarding our foreign policy. As a minority, and a person growing up in multiple countries and cultures, I don't suffer from a nationalistic bias or it's milder much more civil form, patriotism. I could always see things from an outsiders perspective and they're plenty of inhumane, unjust, barbaric and morally bankrupt elements that dominants features of American foreign policy post WW2. I first though people's denial and / or apathy stemmed form the fact that they weren't directly affected by any of these atrocities or injustices. Only after 9-11, when I dared to touch things I knew I would have a hard time supporting leaving the framework of academia, is when I truly found out just how weak, selfish and / or pathetic so many people are and how denial of elementary truths are sort of one of the unspoken defining characteristics.

To sum up, you can't really do much. The problem isn't simply ignorance, or just plain ignorance and apathy. The neurosis is more severe than that. It's intense indoctrination and a comfort zone people are unwilling to leave. There's nothing you can do about that. You can't make someone care or eager to be informed. That's only a choice that can be made by individuals on a personal level. The sooner you realize this the less of your time you will waste, and the less negative reactions you'll get from people.

EDIT: And before someone takes this personally, keep in mind I mentioned no one in particular.


Go first learn to use paragraphs.


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quote:
Originally posted by Kinezi
Go first learn to use paragraphs.



"Go first learn to use"?! And you're having a go at someone for their grammar?!

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{b.s.e.}
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Registered: Oct 2001
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quote:
Originally posted by Kinezi
Go first learn to use paragraphs.


Whoaa, check yo'self before you wreck yo'self, foo'!

Don't be so asinine, especially when you speak in sentence fragments. :P


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Fir3start3r
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{b.s.e.}
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quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
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I thought they were going to use Mexicans for the round-ups?


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Fir3start3r
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quote:
Originally posted by {b.s.e.}
I thought they were going to use Mexicans for the round-ups?


ouch...


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{b.s.e.}
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Registered: Oct 2001
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quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
ouch...


Well, I suppose any indifferent, greedy gun toting bastard who wanted to enlist in a private army to do dirty work against humanity would be accepted. Rather rude to exclude, isn't it?


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culorut
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quote:
you could've saved yourself a lot of time if you'd just said 'trancer, people don't like arrogant liars that only ever post long-winded opinion pieces from other people and never ever broach a subject themselves'. its that simple.


Funny, you post that we are all liars and frauds but you and your kind have never proven anything wrong. You do not bother to read or watch the material posted and place everything under one roof. (a tin roof I might add)

I hate to break it to you but it is not the lizard people, aliens, the illuminati or even the NWO that you claim we are blaming it on.

It is corruption, it exists globally and in almost every level of organizations/structures.

You just simply refuse to acknowledge it so I ask who is really lying and a being fraud?

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