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MisterOpus1
Grumpy Old Fart



Registered: Dec 2001
Location: Kansas City

quote:
Originally posted by LatinLover
MisterOpus,

Your pathetic....


How original of you.

quote:
now owning many residences is a bad thing


Owning many houses in of itself is not bad at all. Rather, I said and directly implied that two individuals running for POTUS and VPOTUS can hardly relate well to the majority of middle-class Americans as a consequence to their status, let alone the POTUS candidate defining "rich" as starting at $5 million.

Is that how you define "rich" financially?


quote:
WOW! How low can the far left get?



Hopefully far enough to stear our country back towards the center a bit.

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I mean whats the plan here... to make middle class america resentful of the wealthy?


No, to demonstrate that two individuals, one running for POTUS, the other a very likely VPOTUS nominee, simply cannot relate to the majority of middle-class Americans very well.

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Is this how we are going to solve all of our problems?


How would you jump to such a stupid conclusion by anything I've said so far, coward?


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By making the middle class resentful, is this the type of divise politics we want?


Newsflash, coward - the majority of middle class folks like myself ARE resentful of the past 8 years and what your douchebag Republican president has brought us..


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Shakka
Supreme tranceaddict



Registered: Feb 2003
Location:

quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Owning many houses in of itself is not bad at all. Rather, I said and directly implied that two individuals running for POTUS and VPOTUS can hardly relate well to the majority of middle-class Americans as a consequence to their status, let alone the POTUS candidate defining "rich" as starting at $5 million.


Wasn't a similar, if not nearly identical argument made when the Clinton's collective income was recently reported? What about John Edwards, Al Gore, etc? What of BO's near parabolic increase in income in the last few years? All politicians blow and there is plenty of ridiculous wealth on both sides of the aisle. Politicians all suck, but I have no problem with anyone who has become financially successful, as long as it has been done honestly, ethically and with their own drive.

Not sure if any or all of that has already been said as I just got home from a weekend trip to D.C. Merci Beaucoup.

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Lebezniatnikov
Stupidity Annoys Me



Registered: Feb 2004
Location: DC

quote:
Originally posted by Shakka

Not sure if any or all of that has already been said as I just got home from a weekend trip to D.C. Merci Beaucoup.


Good timing - the weather was amazing this weekend.


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LatinLover
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Registered: Oct 2006
Location: Medellin, Colombia/ Miami, FL

MisterOpus,

All of a sudden a presidential candidate cannot be wealthy because it would be hard to relate with the American people. Kennedy, Reagan & FDR are prime examples

I mean I dont know if you personally have something against wealthy people but if you are going to chose a candidate based on his networth, as iv'e said before your voting rights should be revoked for lack of common sense.


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jerZ07002
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quote:
Originally posted by LatinLover
MisterOpus,

All of a sudden a presidential candidate cannot be wealthy because it would be hard to relate with the American people. Kennedy, Reagan & FDR are prime examples

I mean I dont know if you personally have something against wealthy people but if you are going to chose a candidate based on his networth, as iv'e said before your voting rights should be revoked for lack of common sense.


if common sense was a prerequisite for voting rights, 50% of the people in this country would lose their rights, many on both sides, but far more on the right. Seriously, intelligent design! How many republicans believe in that shit? It takes some serious lack of common sense to believe in that 'theory'.

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Shakka
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Oh, go write out a Fibonacci sequence.

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jerZ07002
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quote:
Originally posted by Shakka
Oh, go write out a Fibonacci sequence.



fortunately my job requires only an intermediate understanding of algebra because i forgot all that shit a while ago.

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Krypton
83.798 g/6.022x10^23



Registered: Nov 2003
Location: Texas

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There's a simpler way of doing it:

long fib(unsigned long n) {

if (n <= 1) return n;
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quote:
Originally posted by LatinLover
MisterOpus,

All of a sudden a presidential candidate cannot be wealthy because it would be hard to relate with the American people. Kennedy, Reagan & FDR are prime examples

I mean I dont know if you personally have something against wealthy people but if you are going to chose a candidate based on his networth, as iv'e said before your voting rights should be revoked for lack of common sense.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jared...r_b_120933.html

quote:


So McCain is rich. Or, his wife is rich, and that makes him rich too. Wasn't there some movie where Dudley Moore was engaged to a women with megabucks, and he kept getting drunk and introducing her to people as my 'financier' (instead of fiancée)?

For all the ink spilled over this last week, two related issues were under-explored, the latter of which is especially important: what's 'rich,' and why does it matter? What does McCain's wealth, and the way he talks about it, reveal about his ability to be a successful president?

On the first point--what means 'rich'?--there's no simple answer, no line in the economic sand that divides the rich from the rest. I'll get to the income data in a second, but they're only of marginal help here.

For one, there's tremendous geographical variation. If your family income is $100,000 in a rural area of a low-income state, you're well off. That income in Manhattan arguably puts you in the middle-class.

This example also suggests that there's a relative component to "rich." To be rich means you breath the rarified air in the upper reaches of the income scale. In a series of recent revealing remarks, McCain said he thought an income of $5 million made you rich. There's no doubt that's true, but if that's your income cutoff, almost nobody's rich.

The often-cited work of income analysts Piketty and Saez (see Table 0) reveals that admission to the top 1% of the income scale will run you a cool $375,000. Too many common folk there for your taste? Then you'll need about $600K to move up to the top half of the top 1% (i.e., the top 0.5%).

What's that? You want to roll with some serious money? It'll cost you $2 million to break into the top 0.1% (the top tenth of the top percent), and $10.5 million for the top 0.01% -- the top one-hundredth of the top one percent, average income: $30 million.

So yes, Cindy's $100 million in wealth, inherited from her family business, puts the McCain family solidly up there in the narrowest sliver of the richest of the rich. But numbers like these only give you an upper bound. Certainly, there are more rich people in America than those who reside in the 15,000 households of the top 0.01%.

My research on income class has led me to take a less quantitative approach to the question of who's middle class, rich, poor, etc. I think it has much to do with your choices and your access to opportunities.

Rich people's choices are generally not constrained by lack of income (boy, that sounds really obvious, but read on). Years ago when I worked with poor clients in New York City, I remember someone telling me they thought about cost before making a long-distance phone call.

Move up the "choices chain" and you get the picture. Middle class people tend not to think twice about a phone call, but a baby sitter, dinner, and a movie, is not a slam dunk right now, what with prices up and incomes down. And speaking of the price of transportation, vacations don't become "stay-cations" for rich people. Their choice set isn't constrained that way.

These choices may sound kind of trivial, but of course, there are real life-changing opportunities at stake here. One of my favorite -- well, least favorite, really -- factoids to make this point has to do with access to higher education. Once you control for cognitive ability, high-testing, low-income kids have the same (low) college completion rates as low-testing high-income kids. We do not, my fellow HuffPosters, reside in a meritocracy.

(If I may shamelessly tout my own work with colleagues at EPI, please read our forthcoming chapter on income mobility from the new State of Working America, out Labor Day -- though I'll see if I can get the mobility chapter posted here ASAP. It's a tour through this critical question of how challenging it is for people to get ahead given the mobility barriers they face these days. To us, this strikes at the heart of a basic American economic value. We may not believe in equal outcomes in this country, but we sure believe in equal opportunities. And the data on inequality and mobility suggest this basic value is under siege.)

Oh, and yes, if you don't know how many homes you own, you're definitely rich. (When I told my sister about this McCain gaffe last week, she responded: "Well, I don't know how many pairs of shoes I own." See...it's all relative.)

Which brings us to he who would be president. I understand and appreciate the urgency in campaigns to frame your opponent. In this case, the Obama team jumped quickly and effectively on these gaffes to paint McCain as elite and out-of-touch. But beyond the campaign politics, what do these statements, and more pointedly, his wealth, say about McCain as president?

After all, FDR was rich, and his empathy and energy devoted to helping the have-nots was boundless. Lots of politicians who came from humbler backgrounds but ended up rich, like Bill Clinton, John Edwards, or for that matter, Barack Obama, also built a policy agenda to offset the status quo regarding inequality and opportunity. Is it simply that rich Democrats get this in a way rich Republicans don't?

Perhaps so, though I'm sure there's lots of exceptions. Problem is, I don't think McCain is one of them. It is important to view his comments in the context of his agenda, which is as unempathic as his gaffes. As I pointed out last week (see Figure 1 here), his tax plan delivers by far the biggest boost to the average incomes of the richest households; Obama's plan does the opposite. McCain really does double-down on Bushonomics, which takes the inequities inherent in today's market outcomes, and injects them with a dose of steroids.

From this perspective, the problem isn't that he's rich. It's that his wealth is part of a package that strongly suggests he can't relate to the economic struggles faced by so many people from households that don't reside in the top "fractiles" of the income distribution. And if you can't relate, you're much less likely to craft and move a policy agenda that will help, a shortcoming we've seen much too much of in recent years.

This whole dust up reminded me of a CNBC spot I was on with Phil Gramm when he was still McCain's top economic advisor. He was going on about the supply-side, trickle-down nonsense that fits ever so neatly into these guys view of wealth. Arguing his case, Gramm said something like, "I've never been offered a job by a poor person. Have you?"

If government helps rich people, so goes this mythology, they'll unleash a torrent of economic activity that they're sitting on now because tax rates are too high. Cut the regulations that bind them, the taxes that squelch their incentives, and they'll not just lift their own economic fates, but those of the least advantaged as well.

The evidence, of course, points precisely in the opposite direction, but, and here's the kicker, these folks are impenetrable to evidence, and I fear their privileged positions make them so. Their wealth insulates them from reality in a way that you don't see from the other rich folk noted above.

It's not just that McCain can't relate to have nots, it's that he doesn't really want to. He wants to pull the levers that Phil Gramm and others tell him work best, and since he doesn't relate to folks who know very well how many homes they own -- though they may be uncertain whether they'll own them next month -- he lacks the motivation to question whether these levers actually work.

I don't care how much money our president has (though the seven homes thing really does seem beyond the pale given today's housing climate). But I deeply want him or her to understand the economic plight of those with less, and the evidence regarding the policies allegedly designed to help. When their wealth operates like empathy-killing blinders, then that wealth is a problem...a big one.

To listen to McCain last week, and to do so while poring over his policy agenda, really does suggest the dangerous degree to which he's out-of-touch. The Obama folks are right. We'd better work to keep him out of yet another house: the white one on Pennsylvania Ave.


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quote:
Originally posted by Shakka
Wasn't a similar, if not nearly identical argument made when the Clinton's collective income was recently reported? What about John Edwards, Al Gore, etc? What of BO's near parabolic increase in income in the last few years? All politicians blow and there is plenty of ridiculous wealth on both sides of the aisle. Politicians all suck, but I have no problem with anyone who has become financially successful, as long as it has been done honestly, ethically and with their own drive.

Not sure if any or all of that has already been said as I just got home from a weekend trip to D.C. Merci Beaucoup.


I don't think it's been covered in much detail before, and if it has then I missed it too. I'll reiterate that my point was not to simply bash someone just because their loaded and has many homes. If that were the case then I'd have to be bashing so many people on both sides of the spectrum, let alone the fact that it serves no purpose or rationale to do so in the first place. But the article by Bernstein that Lebez posted bears repeating the last part to help reiterate my point:

quote:
I don't care how much money our president has (though the seven homes thing really does seem beyond the pale given today's housing climate). But I deeply want him or her to understand the economic plight of those with less, and the evidence regarding the policies allegedly designed to help. When their wealth operates like empathy-killing blinders, then that wealth is a problem...a big one.

To listen to McCain last week, and to do so while poring over his policy agenda, really does suggest the dangerous degree to which he's out-of-touch. The Obama folks are right. We'd better work to keep him out of yet another house: the white one on Pennsylvania Ave.


In my view the man simply cannot relate well to the majority of Americans, let alone understand that these economic times just plain suck as well as have a reasonable guess as to why they suck. I realize that he's backtracked on his comment of our economy being "sound" a few months back, but Jesus Christ even an economic derelict like myself could have seen the shit was gonna hit the fan long before then and knew our economy was anything but "sound" at that time. When a man has difficulty defining what is considered wealthy and amongst his political babble and dodging settles on the figure of $5 million being the floor of that standard, I simply couldn't shake my head with my hand in my face long enough. That's fucking unbelievable to me.

When you have a former economic advisor (and who's still whispering in his ear, I might add) like Phil Graham say the complete asinine bullshit dismissal of our flailing economy by putting the blame on Americans and saying we're all a bunch of whiners, how the hell could I ignore such ignorance? This is what was advising our potential POTUS with the economy?

This is the kind of shit that our country simply cannot afford to have anymore. This kind of willful dismissal of how things are, the wiping of the hands clean as if the Administrative leaders had absolutely nothing to do with the problems and policies created. The hand-clapping ignorance at someone telling the President that she works 3 jobs just to fucking make ends meet while the idiot sits back and believes that's actually complimentary to the way things are today. Don't get me wrong, the Democrats have plenty to blame in their own right for their own cowardice and complicit behavior, but you know as well as I that much of that policy was controlled and dominated by one party for at least 6 years. I simply will not have the same bullshit dominate our country as it has over the past 2 terms.

I don't look to Obama to answer everything. Hell I know as well as anyone that there will be a lot of things that simply will not change as the Beltway wisdom/idiocy will continue to overrun common sense. But McCain is anything but a step in a different direction, let alone a better one than what we've seen. And I'll take anything that takes a baby crawl towards the right direction.

One last point to consider - for quite a while there were charges of Obama being an "elitist", which in rough translation usually equates to a rich upper class snob. I find it a bit ironic how one with Obama's background could be somehow turned into him now being an "elitist" by not just the Clinton group but with the helpful push by the Conservative media and Faux News, yet a similar assertion with a bit more substance behind the charge with McCain and his home-wrecker/wife owning 8 different houses is perfectly appropriate to now cry "FOUL!!!" Or what's worse, those lovely (admittedly God-aweful) images of John Kerry windsurfing off the New England coast was ran with full fervor not just by the Right Wing Noise Machine and Conservative blowhards, but with enough of their influence became gospel in the mainstream media. But again I suppose we should have a short-term memory of such antics performed by the Conservative mouthpieces and only pay attention when it's turned on them with their own little rich "elitist" candidate.

I know it's only politics, and I know it's merely a little game that we all play. But Jesus gimme a break here. If you're one who did not swallow the whistle both on the Obama "elitist" commentary or when Kerry was the rich little New Englander (nevermind Bush was one too), or what's worse, if you are one who didn't exploit those two silly events in efforts to paint them as "elitist" or rich, out-of-touch individuals, then I applaud your even handedness and fairness for crying "FOUL" at me now and will concede my error in this last point I'm trying to make. I still stand by my earlier comments prior to this last point, but I'll happily concede my error in this last one nonetheless.


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quote:
Originally posted by LatinLover
MisterOpus,

All of a sudden a presidential candidate cannot be wealthy because it would be hard to relate with the American people. Kennedy, Reagan & FDR are prime examples

I mean I dont know if you personally have something against wealthy people but if you are going to chose a candidate based on his networth, as iv'e said before your voting rights should be revoked for lack of common sense.


I like jerZ07002's answer and agree with it quite a bit. When it comes to elections, common sense often falls to the wayside of emotion and dogmatic views. I've changed my views from once being a moderate Republican from the Red state of Kansas who voted for Dole in 1996 and nearly voted for Bush in 2000 (as well as voted for Republican Congressmen and Senators like Jim Ryun, Sam Brownback, and Pat Roberts leading up to the more recent past 6 years or so). It took years for me to develop those darn librul viewpoints that I have now, and you have nothing but that complete idiot in office to thank for that, just as you will be thanking him for ruining your party and ruining your party's chances come November.

In any case, my retort to your answer is above in my reply to Shakka. I do hope you read it. I have my sincere doubts, of course, since you rarely read anything anyone posts that counters your views. If you'd perhaps like a summary instead, let me know and I'll provide that.


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