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Originally posted by Q5echo so you agree that the America is not the only entity that pressures its interests on other countries?

Never said America wasn't the only entity to do so.

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Bill Clinton and the 105th Congress?

wrong. nobody gave us the right to unilaterally invade sovereign countries which pose no threat to us. I really wonder why you refuse to accept that fact.

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...but they are

LOL...at the barrel of our guns they are...

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You'de love to believe Islam is their reason for everything. Sorry, but that's MYOPIC to the highest dimension. As I said, their primary motivation is resistance to American/Zionist interests in the region...Really is a stupid view to say everything Iran and Syria do that we don't like is because of radical Islam......what a scapegoat argument..

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thats your opinion and nothing more. stfu about it already, you made it up out of your juvenile rejection of "authority".

Awww, can't accept the truth when it hurts huh? You'de probably watch this country turn into a police state with a smile on your face. I guess the Founding Fathers questioning the authority of the king of England was also a juvenile rejection of "authority" too right? Here's a little truth. I have every right to question and oppose my government when it does wrong and I will whether you like it or not. I reject unjustified authority. That is hardly juvenile. You'de like to me STFU about it.... I know the truth hurts..

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Originally posted by Krypton You'de love to believe Islam is their reason for everything. Sorry, but that's MYOPIC to the highest dimension. As I said, their primary motivation is resistance to American/Zionist interests in the region...Really is a stupid view to say everything Iran and Syria do that we don't like is because of radical Islam......what a scapegoat argument..

You'll need a little more explaination here to convince anyone other than yourself.

Are you saying that extreme Islamism doesn't exist and it's not a factor in this region at all?

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r You'll need a little more explaination here to convince anyone other than yourself. Are you saying that extreme Islamism doesn't exist and it's not a factor in this region at all?

Fundamentalist Islam exists in the same way fundamentalist Christianity exists. But you are supremely near sighted if you believe that Palestinians or Lebanese fight Zionism because they are simply religious fanatics. That's such a cop out scapegoat of an argument. It completely ignores the plight of the Palestinians who get their homes bulldozed, bombed, and their towns occupied by relentless checkpoints, barriers, and Israeli patrols. And here you, you expect them to just accept it, to lie down in the face of oppression. Unfortunately for you, the Koran says implicitly, "fight those who oppress you and do not stop until the oppressor stops". Islam is their only hope, and so therefore, is it gives their cause a foundation. They will never surrender, they will never be defeated, they will never bow down. And until you hardliners realize this, you will get nowhere. The terrorism will continue, I guarantee you that. Terrorism is a symptom of the underlying disease. You want to treat the symptoms, but you don't want to treat the disease.

You always condemn suicide bombings, kidnapping, car bombs, etc. as terrorism. Great, so do I. But you never ever ever say the same thing when we carry out the exact same activities. The US has supported terrorist groups, proxy armies, occupied sovereign nations, kidnapped people off the streets, and tortured. Do you have the balls to call them extremist?......with that kind of attitude, there will never be compromise. We have our fundamentalist extremist, hardliners, just like they do. WTF is the difference, huh, what?

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Originally posted by Krypton You always condemn suicide bombings, kidnapping, car bombs, etc. as terrorism. Great, so do I. But you never ever ever say the same thing when we carry out the exact same activities. The US has supported terrorist groups, proxy armies, occupied sovereign nations, kidnapped people off the streets, and tortured. Do you have the balls to call them extremist?......with that kind of attitude, there will never be compromise. We have our fundamentalist extremist, hardliners, just like they do. WTF is the difference, huh, what?

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Why is it worse to put explosives under a vest or the hood of a car then to drop them down from the sky?

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Originally posted by Krypton Fundamentalist Islam exists in the same way fundamentalist Christianity exists. But you are supremely near sighted if you believe that Palestinians or Lebanese fight Zionism because they are simply religious fanatics. That's such a cop out scapegoat of an argument. It completely ignores the plight of the Palestinians who get their homes bulldozed, bombed, and their towns occupied by relentless checkpoints, barriers, and Israeli patrols. And here you, you expect them to just accept it, to lie down in the face of oppression. Unfortunately for you, the Koran says implicitly, "fight those who oppress you and do not stop until the oppressor stops". Islam is their only hope, and so therefore, is it gives their cause a foundation. They will never surrender, they will never be defeated, they will never bow down. And until you hardliners realize this, you will get nowhere. The terrorism will continue, I guarantee you that. Terrorism is a symptom of the underlying disease. You want to treat the symptoms, but you don't want to treat the disease. You always condemn suicide bombings, kidnapping, car bombs, etc. as terrorism. Great, so do I. But you never ever ever say the same thing when we carry out the exact same activities. The US has supported terrorist groups, proxy armies, occupied sovereign nations, kidnapped people off the streets, and tortured. Do you have the balls to call them extremist?......with that kind of attitude, there will never be compromise. We have our fundamentalist extremist, hardliners, just like they do. WTF is the difference, huh, what?

Right on sir right on.I doubt you can cinvince Fir3starter on this though no matter how much you try to explain it to him.Many like him will accpet anything the west does because they believe in the system so much that no matter what.They are very much ok with their government supporting terrorist groups,occupying sovereign natiions,toturing since they actually think this is whats required for their freeom and protection.It is sad indeed.

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