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Originally posted by TommyfromLA Aight I just got back from Ibiza last Thursday and honestly I am scared of how my mind will react the next time I step into Vanguard or Avalon I mean I live here so I have no choice but to witness for example Pacha and then come to Vanguard can cause brain injury the scene sucks ass here but I will say one thing as edm becomes more popular as it has been you will def see more clubs for example there is a Pacha in the works for Las Vegas and Los Angeles and once that happens I promise no more glow sticks and the other mess and Avalon will go out of business because no good dj would rather play at Avalon over Pacha..........

Well...can't really compare anything to Ibiza now can we?
Pacha I know is coming to Vegas. I've had the inside track on info about Pacha, Crobar, etc coming to LA. Nothing is in the works. Crobar was set and that fell through. And the fact is, no matter who comes to LA, it won't change things. LA is what it is. The club scene is always changing, but the core of the LA club and EDM scene will always be the same....or at least close to the same. I've gone from a glowsting swinging raver to Giant's promo director over the last 10 years...and just I enjoy it for what it is. When you want something different, go on vacation or move. I need a change. So I'm moving...and I'm sure when I do...I will miss the LA scene like crazy.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Dammit, you've seen me clubbing! No that's not my speed, but there has to be some middle ground - something in between putting colored fridge magnets in your hair (spelling out XTC etc) and those italian crocodile skin winklepickers. This all is so true. It happened in the UK about 8 years ago - all these "cyberkids" were running about clubs, mostly underage and all thinking they were so different and individual but they actually all looked the same, just a mess of flourescent colors, glowsticks and bright hairdyes. ...but glowticks. Come on? I mean, once that "novelty" of something that glows being moved about so it makes "rad" patterns, wears off, well, the interest last less time than a glowstick does. And yes, mediteranian men (don't forget the Spanish) have zero respect for boundaries with women in clubs, but you have to realise that an entire generation of drunk (and loose) british slags invading that island each year gave them the idea.... TOMMYFROMLA - I'm sure Ibiza did make your brain hurt. In turn, your post made my brain hurt. I think you used them all in Ibiza, so here are some periods . . . . . . . . . and some commas , , , , Seriously, though, you really like pacha that much. I though it was the most dated, most coked, most VIP tables on the dancefloor, worst music policy, crappest crowded club out of all the amazing venues on that island. Also, I saw Mark Farina at Vanguard a couple of mmonths back and had such a good night there - the crowd was all quite sophisticated but up for it, not a glowstick in sight, well dressed/made an effort (but not many loofers or v necks on display). I suppose the Farina following would be a bit more that way inclined but it also gave you an impression of the club being better than it was, if you know what I mean. I mean to say, when it's filled with crackheads, it can look like a crack den.

completely agree with you about pacha ibiza, my least favorite club on the island but i did like pacha barcelona. and really, brits??? the nicest, funniest guy i met while in ibiza was a british guy!!!! and the spanish weren't bad, atleast the ones we encountered. just the italians.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Dammit, you've seen me clubbing! No that's not my speed, but there has to be some middle ground - something in between putting colored fridge magnets in your hair (spelling out XTC etc) and those italian crocodile skin winklepickers. This all is so true. It happened in the UK about 8 years ago - all these "cyberkids" were running about clubs, mostly underage and all thinking they were so different and individual but they actually all looked the same, just a mess of flourescent colors, glowsticks and bright hairdyes. ...but glowticks. Come on? I mean, once that "novelty" of something that glows being moved about so it makes "rad" patterns, wears off, well, the interest last less time than a glowstick does. And yes, mediteranian men (don't forget the Spanish) have zero respect for boundaries with women in clubs, but you have to realise that an entire generation of drunk (and loose) british slags invading that island each year gave them the idea.... TOMMYFROMLA - I'm sure Ibiza did make your brain hurt. In turn, your post made my brain hurt. I think you used them all in Ibiza, so here are some periods . . . . . . . . . and some commas , , , , Seriously, though, you really like pacha that much. I though it was the most dated, most coked, most VIP tables on the dancefloor, worst music policy, crappest crowded club out of all the amazing venues on that island. Also, I saw Mark Farina at Vanguard a couple of mmonths back and had such a good night there - the crowd was all quite sophisticated but up for it, not a glowstick in sight, well dressed/made an effort (but not many loofers or v necks on display). I suppose the Farina following would be a bit more that way inclined but it also gave you an impression of the club being better than it was, if you know what I mean. I mean to say, when it's filled with crackheads, it can look like a crack den.

I suppose your favorite club is DC10 or SPACE.... In that case there is no difference for you in you are at Vanguard or Ibiza!!! Pacha has the nicest looking crowd on the island. Coke heads???? lmaoo as suppose to what? Space?????? DC10??? Its Ibiza!!

The parties I go to in LA have pretty good crowds...

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

Thats because they know u are going....

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Originally posted by TommyfromLA Thats because they know u are going....

Probably.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

I love the E.K.G. program you have going on down there. LA has their shit together on that.

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Originally posted by TommyfromLA I suppose your favorite club is DC10 or SPACE.... In that case there is no difference for you in you are at Vanguard or Ibiza!!! Pacha has the nicest looking crowd on the island. Coke heads???? lmaoo as suppose to what? Space?????? DC10??? Its Ibiza!!

Don't like DC10 that much, not too bad, just full of wasters and it feels like a over hyped bar. Space is a nice club, no argument, very international crowd (the most mixed IMO), but gets so messy in the back room.

No, my favorite overall would probably Privilege (Ku).

The times I've been to Pacha (96' and 05' and 06') I was disappointed and pissed at myself for again giving it a chance. I got in for free the last two times and felt like I wanted a refund. It really feels like a 70's club (that battered terracotta tile makeshift lighting) that has had some modern extensions glued on. The crowd? Easily the most pretentious on the island. 1500 euros for a table on the dancefloor? The music: Decent the first time (Jermey healey) bad 05' (cassius) and okish the last (morillo).

The roof bar is nice but gets too packed and overall I just feel like that is the only club on the island that rests on it's laurels and doesn't have to bother, just cause it has been famous since the 80's and was the first of the Pacha brand. Still looks like club tropicana never left.

Each to their own though, people like different things but I', just saying I know many peeps who feel the same way it.

gypsygirl - Us british guys are great (even if I do say so myself)! By med men I meant spanish, italian etc. I think part of the reason guys in that part of the world act that way in Ibiza is that for more than a decade, you've had drunk, shameless and very loose British girls going over there. Actually, it's got way better in recent year but at the end of the 90's begininning of the 00's, the behavior of the Brits in Ibiza got waaay out of hand - very ashamed.

Back to LA - yes you've only really got two big venue clubs now, but believe me, it's pretty great out here - London, for one of the major cities on earth, the EDM scene is dead. Clubs are damn expensive and full of the wrong people (posers or mash-heads). There are way more opportunities to see a broad selection of good/big name Dj's out here and the clubs seem to make an effort. Maybe it was better out here a couple of years ago, but impression of the last year is really positive.

EDM sucks. i prefer going to the WPC: Winter Polka Festival

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Originally posted by Andrieux I love the E.K.G. program you have going on down there. LA has their shit together on that.

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I dont understand why it bothers you to see somone drunk or on drugs... unless they are dying or falling down on every patron, whats the problem with them enjoying the night the way they want to?

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Originally posted by nchs09 I dont understand why it bothers you to see somone drunk or on drugs... unless they are dying or falling down on every patron, whats the problem with them enjoying the night the way they want to?

Douche bags who think the world evolves around them. People should only worry about 2 things, the dj and venue. Fuck the vibe\people, when good music is flowing out of the speakers that's all you need and maybe a drink in hand.