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Originally posted by El K Dee point being that u have to use windows and not the Mac OS.

Only because AutoCad was first released in 1982 to be used on IBM PCs whereas the first Macintosh was released in 1984.

If they had waited 2 years, their code would've been made for the Mac as opposed to PC, and the would've continued their line of products specifically for Macs.

If anything, that post doesn't add points to Microsoft, but to Autodesk instead, who have created an exceptional piece of software.

sounds like excuses to me.

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Originally posted by plaxx

hmmm sounds like this guy knows what he's talking about. still, PC ftw.

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Originally posted by plaxx http://www.architosh.com/ http://www.ashlar.com/sections/prod...w/overview.html http://www.pure-mac.com/cad.html And if you're till hung up on using AutoCad specifically, just use bootcamp to install XP, which still works better than Vista.

Hahahah this guy thinks that all these pieces of shit are better than Autodesk's product, and then goes on to say to just install Windows anyway, fucking amazing.

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Originally posted by plaxx Only because AutoCad was first released in 1982 to be used on IBM PCs whereas the first Macintosh was released in 1984. If they had waited 2 years, their code would've been made for the Mac as opposed to PC, and the would've continued their line of products specifically for Macs. If anything, that post doesn't add points to Microsoft, but to Autodesk instead, who have created an exceptional piece of software.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH SERIOUSLY GET THE FUCK OUTTA TOWN AHHAHAHA

I can see him right now, donning one of his 43 pairs of thick black-rimmed glasses, thinking of an angry, scathing reply, fingers trembling at his barely-usable keyboard...

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 I can see him right now, donning one of his 43 pairs of thick black-rimmed glasses, thinking of an angry, scathing reply, fingers trembling at his barely-usable keyboard...

Angry response? I'm just giving you the facts.

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Originally posted by plaxx Microsoft just proved to everyone they lack 0 creativity, and 0 ability to do anything unique, without biting Apple.

First of all, when you say they "lack zero creativity" then that means they aren't lacking it, in other words they have all of it. You might want to learn how to string together a sentence before you crap words all over internet forums.

Second, what makes your argument completely self-defeating is the last three words: "without biting Apple". They never mentioned Apple. Not once. That's the point. They don't have to.

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Originally posted by plaxx Some of the recent "I'm a PC" ads were created on a Mac, go figure.

Yeah, and a bunch of both Microsoft's and Apple's servers are running some flavour of Unix. Smart businesses are going to use the most convenient tool for any particular task, not run gestapos forcing everybody to use their own products. I don't see how something like this could possibly be relevant, except to Apple ballwashers.

Perhaps the biggest irony is that the "Mac" software in question was just Adobe CS3, which runs perfectly fine (better, actually) on Windows.

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Originally posted by plaxx Why doesn't microsoft make the ads themselves using their Vista OS and Expression Studio which "takes your creative possibilities to a new level" ?

Maybe because they're a software shop and not an advertising agency, you fucking nitwit?

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Originally posted by plaxx If they had waited 2 years, their code would've been made for the Mac as opposed to PC, and the would've continued their line of products specifically for Macs.

First, how could you possibly know this, and second, since when has product age ever been a factor in making cross-platform software? Up until very recently, most Mac users still used Microsoft Word and Internet Explorer. If Microsoft was willing to develop for Mac, surely Autodesk would want to corner this market.

The reason they don't is - speaking now as a software engineer - development for the Mac fucking sucks. I mean it seriously sucks donkey balls. Even the newest, shiniest shit like RealBasic feels like you just stepped out of a time machine and went back to the 1980s. Compared to Visual Studio, it's dog shit. There's absolutely no reason for Autodesk to put up with this in order to increase profits by maybe 1%.

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Originally posted by plaxx Angry response? I'm just giving you the facts.

You haven't given a single "fact" in any of your responses.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur really? why do u say that?

i find the mac commercials funny, the windows one...dont trigger anything for me

PS im no Apple fanboy! i hate mac's

the windows commercials were pretty dumb and unfunny

they did nothing for me.

in related news ...

http://technology.sympatico.msn.ca/...ue&pagenumber=1

Nice catch on my messing up of words, but thats the only thing you really seemed to grasp from all of this.

Microsoft can't come up with their own name for ads without borrowing something from Apple. They don't have to mention Apple, as these ads are 'the answer' to Apples "I'm A Mac" campaign.

What? Microsoft doesnt have to bite Apple? You must be really thick.



Where's your proof that Adobe CS3 runs better on Windows than Macs? Having used Adobe CS3 many times on Vista and getting the error "Windows has shut down unexpectedly" or "Adobe Illustrator has shut down unexpectedly" has put me off it completely. Windows has shit font management, it cant deal with video files unless you have 300 codecs installed, and it corrupts PSDs. Adobe After Effects CS3 runs BETTER on Windows XP than it does on Vista, Microsofts premier OS.

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Maybe because they're a software shop and not an advertising agency, you fucking nitwit?

So explain to me why an ad agency chooses Apple over Microsoft? Maybe it has something to do with speeed, reliability, and the availability of applications that make doing things easier.

Go to autodesk's website and click company you'll see they started making their products in 1982 (also on Wikipedia)
Go to wikpedia and type in macintosh, first macintosh was built in 1984
Why would Autodesk have started creating for the Mac from the begining instead? because "it was the first commercially successful personal computer to feature a mouse and a graphical user interface (GUI) rather than a command line interface."

Don't even bring up Word, or Internet Explorer into this topic. You know they are both terrible programs, especially Word. If there was a version of word I liked, or even used, it would have to be Word 97, only because you could play pinball in it. IE? Sucks. Period. And if you are the software engineer that you say you are you will agree with that.

Software development? Maybe you can explain to me why there are millions of sites that have this shit freeware, evaluation only crap that surely infests your PC with more useless shit which its already full of? and why nothing like that is there for Macs? Software created for Macs works and you can count on it. For every task there is a preferred application.

Maybe you're not familiar with XCode? I suggest you look into it. And while we're here, maybe you can tell me what the deal is with having 6 different versions of the same OS?

As a Mac user I blame iPods for bringing so many shallow new mac users in the recent years. Fucking teenage fanboy idiots at every corner. It's fucking disgusting... and then we have the cheap "I'm a Mac" advertising that makes me wanna take a big dump on Job's face.

I think maybe where M$ went wrong with the Seinfeld ads, was the writing. Seinfeld was originally approached and became famous for the writing in his routine/show, not his acting. He was/is a poor actor. M$ should have paid to have him write the material, and not just bank on his celebrity.

That being said, I did like the Seinfeld/Gates Odd Couple ads. They were quirky, and not all that funny, but it was enough. They were meant to create buzz, and not inform, because they barely mentioned windows or any features.

The new Windows ad, gets straight to the point. Everybody uses their product, so you have a huge user base, a huge development base, a huge support base, and a massive amount of diversity. My uncle recently needed a piece of software but I could not help him because he bought a Mac, and I had no way to testing the program before I gave it to him. My aunt, with a 10 year old computer was just fine because she had Windows.

Plus, slap 'Mac compatible' on a product and you can increase the price by 50%. My buddy just bought a SD card reader at the Apple store. Same card reader (Belken) you can buy it any computer store, but he paid out the ass. "Look, I finally got a Mac compatible card reader!". Good job dumb ass.

Strength in the computer world comes from having a large user base. M$ is playing off that, and hopefully it works.

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 Excuse me Margs but making video mashups of my dog barking and a cute clip of a cat meowing all set to the sultry sounds of Enya is serious friggin business to me, also I just love to warp my face with iPhoto its just so much fun let me tell you! You don't know what you're missing with your Micro$oft experience! MAC MAC MAC MAC MAC

lol.

oh man. all i need is $$$$$$$$$$$$. cha-ching!

but i do wish i could be as cool as a Mac user.




P.S. Who out there doesn't have to use both platforms for work or school or for fun? These back and forth arguements are totally useless. Be happy that you are smart enough to use a computer at all and if you can use both platforms, you are a winner!