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{b.s.e.}
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4 Personifies complex social phenomena as powerful individual conspirators; Related to (3) but distinct from it, deduces the existence of powerful individual conspirators from the 'impossibility' that a chain of events lacked direction by a person.


You're so far off the mark. Is it sheer ego that permits you to act in such a manner?

How can you be in support of something so clearly diabolical? It serves no other purpose than to enslave a nation through debt, the very ideal that America fought against the British Empire for sovereignty.

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pkcRAISTLIN
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Originally posted by {b.s.e.}
You're so far off the mark. Is it sheer ego that permits you to act in such a manner?

How can you be in support of something so clearly diabolical? It serves no other purpose than to enslave a nation through debt, the very ideal that America fought against the British Empire for sovereignty.


youre just another person that doesn't understand what the fed does or how it works. i suggest you go to your local university and enrol in economics 101, then we'll talk.

every single country worth noting has a central bank. do the math


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youre just another person that doesn't understand what the fed does or how it works. i suggest you go to your local university and enrol in economics 101, then we'll talk.

every single country worth noting has a central bank. do the math


There are more than 100 of them...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_central_banks

Here are their websites...

http://www.bis.org/cbanks.htm

The only countries without a central bank are Andorra and Monaco.


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{b.s.e.}
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youre just another person that doesn't understand what the fed does or how it works. i suggest you go to your local university and enrol in economics 101, then we'll talk.

every single country worth noting has a central bank. do the math


Yeah, printing money off with nothing to back it but more money, fuck-ing brilliant. Tell me, how you expect a debt free society with something like the Central Bank?

You're just another sheep stuck in a pen with two exits open.

Why don't you enroll in some English, fuckface?

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Three cheers for corporate/fachismo douchebags ruling the world through monetary control.

No cheers, however, for the corporate-fascist apologists.

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Yeah, printing money off with nothing to back it but more money, fuck-ing brilliant. Tell me, how you expect a debt free society with something like the Central Bank?


fucking hell. do you guys ever get sick of reposting the same shit we've already dealt with over and over? there is nothing wrong with fiat money or debt you clown. the central bank also has nothing to do with the levels of debt that people choose to shoulder.

explain to me how someone buys a house without access to evil debt?

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You're just another sheep stuck in a pen with two exits open.


coming from someone that believes anything they see/read on the internet, your criticism is laughable.

central banks and fiat money are superior to no central bank and a gold standard. that's just economic fact. if your government is abusing the fiat system, the problem is with your government, not fiat money.

keep at it internet detective. the only people youre fooling are the uneducated.


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Internet idiocy: the latest pandemic
By: Taylor Kessinger


To be ignorant has always been easy: Simply sit back in your recliner and watch Fox News.

But to be genuinely misinformed has become exponentially easier with the rise of the Internet, as lies and half-truths gush forth through its twisted web of data-tubes.

In the pre-Web age, publishing something which was patently false required a fair bit of money or, at the very least, access to some dumb schmuck who was willing to publish your ideas for you, and giving legitimacy to ill-conceived or outright moronic views required hours and hours of cherry-picking quotes and struggling to find sources that agreed with you.

The electronic age has largely done away with this demand. Now, disseminating information requires money for bandwidth, hosting and little else other than time.

As a kid, I specifically remember being told not to believe everything I read on the Internet. But humans have an odd reaction to claptrap: Most of us simply go along with whatever we hear as long as it comes from a seeming authority. Our world revolves around the Internet so much that even YouTube movies, blog posts and forum rants appear authoritative.

As far as Internet bullshit goes, nothing beats "Zeitgeist: The Movie." Released on Google Video, the film is broken up into three parts which claim, respectively, that Jesus was nothing more than a pagan god and all of Christianity is really based on astrology; that the 9/11 "truth" movement is correct; and that the Federal Reserve is the product of a cabal of international bankers whose ultimate goal is to rule over all humanity with an iron fist. This trio of bizarre theories is touted by a legion of Internet armchair experts, and it currently has a 4.5 rating on Google Video with more than 23,000 votes.

None of these ideas are new; in particular, the 9/11 Truth Movement is itself a product of the Internet. But becoming familiar with, for example, the Jesus-myth hypothesis once required hours of poring through texts so poorly written that the falsity of their content was manifestly obvious. Watch the movie, though, and you'll be so bombarded with cool sound bites, slick images and video clips and the assertive voice of a dogmatic narrator that you, too, might join the ranks of the movie's supporters.

Miscreants like creationists, white nationalists, Ron Paulogists and conspiracy theorists all depend on this air of legitimacy to convince others of their views. Witty sayings, fear tactics and a cool, assertive air all enable them to convince the unwitting public of their points.

As yet another example, consider the Internet campaign which insists that "Black Hussein Osama" is really a Muslim operative who wants to bring down the United States from the inside out. They've cleverly mined quotes and images to make it appear as though Barack Obama disrespects our flag and, with it, our country.

There is no shortage of information which refutes this viewpoint. But this type of conspiracy relies on two elements common to web surfers: First, they're only willing to check facts at the most superficial level, which usually means they'll read a message or watch a clip just once before forming an opinion and moving on. Second, the honest, savvy users are always drowned out by a sea of morons. Check the comments for YouTube videos of Obama "disrespecting the flag," and you'll see this in action.

To be fair, online databases of information drawn from legitimate print publications have made it much easier to check facts as the Internet has aged - for those of us who care to look. And at the very least, we can rest assured that Internet idiocy isn't all that bad. Gullible fools provide endless entertainment for the rest of us, and campaigns of misinformation haven't had overly hurtful externalities: Even Ron Paul's legion of Internet supporters hasn't catapulted him into winning any states.

The best possible solution to the problem of Internet stupidity is probably the most complicated. We need to ensure that all levels of our society are trained to be at least twice as skeptical in cyberspace as they are in meatspace.

Fortunately, as our generation slowly nears the top of the political food chain, solving Internet problems should become easier and easier as people born and raised on the 'Net acquire critical roles in the legislative process. In the meantime, the best thing we can do is to be careful on our perilous trek through the information superhighway.

http://media.wildcat.arizona.edu/me...c-3171363.shtml


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Yeah, printing money off with nothing to back it but more money, fuck-ing brilliant. Tell me, how you expect a debt free society with something like the Central Bank?


Actually, fiat money is backed by something. It's backed by the value of all goods, services, and assets. Inflation results when the money supply is increased faster than the increase in the value of goods, services, and assets.

Also, no society is ever debt free. So the notion of a debt-free society is completely unrealistically utopian.

Question, how would you ensure the stability of the economy and currency?


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Location: Austin, Texas, USA: TXTA #102

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
youre just another person that doesn't understand what the fed does or how it works. i suggest you go to your local university and enrol in economics 101, then we'll talk.

every single country worth noting has a central bank. do the math

PKC, if you enrolled in Economics 101, you should already know that macro-economics didn't exist prior to the Great Depression and the very reason why it arose as a field of study was to explain the phenomenon and why the banks collapsed. Maynard Keynes looked in to the matter to come up with an explanation for what had happened, and it was only after the fact that micro-economics became an academic discipline. Even my macroeconomics text book makes this fact clear. That not exactly a starting point free from bias .

EDIT: Note, Keynes was a British Economist, attempting to explain a crisis in the US, which makes it highly unlikely he had access to all the relevant information for starters. The late 1800's / early 1900's weren't exactly the information age you know .


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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
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Actually, fiat money is backed by something. It's backed by the value of all goods, services, and assets. Inflation results when the money supply is increased faster than the increase in the value of goods, services, and assets.

Also, no society is ever debt free. So the notion of a debt-free society is completely unrealistically utopian.

Question, how would you ensure the stability of the economy and currency?

Yeah, that's because we all use fiat currency, credit, and interest now so we're naturally going to be in debt. Fractional Reserve banking is a fairly new development in human history... prior to that it the practice it principles are based on was called exactly what it is, usury and extortion.


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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Yeah, that's because we all use fiat currency, credit, and interest now so we're naturally going to be in debt. Fractional Reserve banking is a fairly new development in human history... prior to that it the practice it principles are based on was called exactly what it is, usury and extortion.


People have been using debt for thousands of years...


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People have been using debt for thousands of years...

Compound interest and debt? Not exactly, interest... no duh! Most cultures also generally recognized it for what it is, extortion. Now you just have a centralized institutions doing it, and most people are oblivious to it and it's consequences. The Knights Templars were persecuted by the Church for this very reason, they brought the practice to Europe on a large scale.


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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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