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Originally posted by The17sss Well said. My BFF Lebezniatnikov will love this post (my bet is he doesn't even really read it because it's Limbaugh's words). At least he has the stones to say what nobody on the Democrat side has the courage to admit about Powell. Enjoy: [In reference to Joe The Plumber] Now, who the hell are the Obama campaign to be investigating a private citizen? He is not part of the McCain campaign. He has had no relationship with John McCain over the years. John McCain never heard of Joe the Plumber 'til Joe the Plumber asked the question of Barack Obama. Now, there are some very questionable people in Barack Obama's past that the media will not investigate, will not look into, will not tell us anything about, but yet they haven't found anything substantive on Joe the Plumber. So you have media propaganda and investigations to help one party. Who the hell are they to be investigating a private citizen? That is an indictment of the Obama campaign and what it is and what it portends. They haven't found anything substantive on Joe the Plumber... yet. But it won't stop 'em if they find nothing from maybe making something up, will it? What is happening to us? What is happening to our political system here? Average citizens targeted by a presidential campaign, and this average citizen asked a question, made a fool and a buffoon out of the candidate by making the candidate open up and be honest about what he really plans to do. And now we've got Biden out there taking this campaign to the last place the Obama campaign wants it to be. Maybe General Powell, you out there, Secretary Powell, you listening? Maybe now that you've heard what Senator Biden said, that Obama is going to guarantee us a major crisis because he will be tested, McCain would not be tested, they know McCain, Biden in effect said this, perhaps, General Powell, you can explain again why you support Obama and Biden. Not only is Biden a dunce, but he has been wrong on every foreign policy question of the last decade. General Powell, are you prepared to go out and campaign? I know you said you weren't going to campaign. Are you prepared now to try to clean up this mess by telling us how qualified Obama is to deal with this test that's coming? By the way, General Powell, in a number of other things that he said about endorsing Obama, he said the Republican Party's getting too narrow. Did you catch that? He said the Republican Party is getting too narrow. Now, I'm beginning to wonder about Secretary Powell's powers of perception. That means the Republican Party's nothing but a bunch of right-wing extremists that he doesn't like. He doesn't like people that are against affirmative action, apparently. He doesn't like people who are pro-life, apparently. The Republican Party's getting too narrow? How many monologues have I given saying that with McCain the Republican tent's too damn big? The Republican Party, Secretary Powell, has been out trying to attract people like you! The Republican Party, General Powell, has been trying to throw people like me out of it. The Republican Party, with Senator McCain, has been trying to get independents, trying to get moderates, people like you. We have been trying to get independents and moderates and Democrats, by the way, to come into our party as Democrats, not conservatives. We've been trying to get independents to come into our party as independents, which means Democrats, not as Republicans. That's what the McCain campaign is all about; that's what the McCain nomination was all about. General Powell, for you to say that you don't support McCain because the Republican Party is getting too narrow is a dead giveaway, sir. That's the last thing anybody would say about John "Amnesty" McCain. When you go down the list of McCain's Democrat positions, McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, to say that McCain's campaign is narrow because of Sarah Palin? And of course Tom Brokaw wasn't going to call him on any of these things. He wasn't going to call him on the surge or anything of the sort. Yeah, the party has moved too far right. Look here: "Schwarzenegger to Campaign for McCain in Ohio." Schwarzenegger! He's not exactly your pro-life, anti-affirmative action hick hayseed going to NASCAR races, General Powell. Isn't this, by the way, the Colin Powell who was first appointed to a big job by Mr. Conservative, Ronald Reagan? Wasn't it Ronald Reagan who pinned the four stars on General Powell? It was, ladies and gentlemen. And wasn't it George H. W. Bush who named him chairman of the Joint Chiefs, another Republican? And wasn't it George W. Bush who named him secretary of state? Yes, another Republican. By tomorrow this time, the political impact of the Powell endorsement will be mostly irrelevant, but his betrayal will be forever. And you people in the media who have been out there claiming that my disagreeing when Powell says his endorsement of Obama is not about race, and I say, yes, it is, it's totally about race, is a transformational figure, what else is transformational about Obama if not his race? Everybody knows that Democrats in the media think history is being made here. What's so hard to admit you're supporting a guy because of race? And they're trying to tell me that I'm being racist and that 'm accusing Secretary Powell of being a racist. I'm not accusing him of being a racist. The Democrats have gotten away with defining our language or redefining our language for far too long. You bring up William Ayers, you are mean-spirited. You bring up Wright, you're a racist, and now you say that General Powell's endorsement of Obama is because of race? "You can't say that, who do you think you are? Who does Limbaugh think he is?" Let me tell you a little story. A friend of mine has a daughter in a high school. Yesterday, the daughter shows up, it's a history class, a constitutional history class or some such thing. She's a senior in high school, shows up, and the teacher starts lambasting me to these seniors in high school. "Did you hear what Rush Limbaugh said about Colin Powell? Can you believe Rush Limbaugh's a racist? Rush Limbaugh is as racist as anybody I ever -- I can't believe that Rush Limbaugh would say that about Colin Powell, that's horribly racist," and apparently there are a lot of black students, and the teacher is asking, "What do you think of Limbaugh? Do you think he's racist?" All their hands go up. So what you have here is electioneering going on in a high school history class, citing what I said. These kids are 18, some of them are 18, they can vote. So you've got this teacher who's electioneering. What I said, my simple quotes to Jonathan Martin. "Jonathan, he says it's not about race. Okay. I'm going to search all the inexperienced white liberals that he's endorsed. I'll get back to you with what I find." Not only is that not racist, it's brilliant, if I say so myself, because it expresses it in a number of ways. What I'm saying is, well, this is interesting. He says it's not about race, but where all the inexperienced while liberals? Of course it's about race. And then when I said -- now, nobody brings this one up -- but he said he couldn't deal with two more Republican appointments to the Supreme Court. I said, "I didn't know he disliked John Roberts, Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy, Clarence Thomas, Antonin Scalia." I guess he also doesn't like the fact that it was Republicans that made him who he is. This is betrayal. What General Powell did is betrayal, and of course he's gonna say it's not about race, but if Biden were the nominee you think he'd be endorsing Biden? Do you think he would endorse Hillary? It's possible. I'll tell you why. Because in addition to the race factor here, what's most important to Colin Powell is Colin Powell. And that means what's most important to Colin Powell is his standing in the New York-Washington elite corridors of power, and he has been on thin ice since the Iraq war and since he went up there to the United Nations and made the case for Saddam's weapons of mass destruction. So this gets him back in good graces, this gets him back in good stead. In addition, do you think General Powell knew that Scooter Libby had not leaked anything, that his own assistant, Richard Armitage did? And do you think that General Powell might have just sat on the sidelines during the Scooter Libby investigation as a way of getting back at the Bush administration because he thinks they embarrassed him by sending him up there to make that statement, which so threatened his relationship with the people he most covets, the New York-Washington power elite? So with the endorsement of Obama, takes care of that. Look at what he had to look past, by the way, too. Claudia Rosett, National Review Online, big, important piece. He had to ignore the United Nations oil-for-food program in making this endorsement, a number of other things. It's clear that General Powell is looking out for General Powell, which a lot of people do. But to say that my saying that he's choosing to endorse Obama is racist, I never said that. I said he's making the choice based on race and a number of other things. Plus now the Republican Party's moved too far to the right. How does that strike you, you conservatives who think the Republican Party is trying to do everything it can to disavow conservatives running the party. So, by this time tomorrow, the political impact of the Powell endorsement will be mostly irrelevant, but his betrayal will be forever. And I would still love to hear what General Powell has to say about what Biden said. Maybe he can explain again why he supports Obama and Biden after what Biden said. Just one more stab at this, folks, this Colin Powell business. It's not about racism. It's about his lack of candor. He can't admit what's obvious. Race plays a huge role. The whole campaign is about race. It's "historic." Why is it historic? There's only one thing that makes it historic, and that's the race of the Democrat nominee. It's certainly not his issues, not his policies. He's not The Messiah. He didn't come from a virgin birth. There's nothing out there that makes this historic other than that. Why can't you Democrats acknowledge this? What's so hard about it? Just say it! Be proud of it! It would have been refreshing if Secretary Powell had stated the obvious, not danced around it. But, see, if he'd admitted it was about race it wouldn't have helped him with the media. So... You know, in all these things you gotta take 'em into account.

One of the most un-informative and boring diatribes I have ever had the misfortune to read.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN One of the most un-informative and boring diatribes I have ever had the misfortune to read.

That's because Rush Limbaugh is a neocon Republican mouthpiece. What did you expect? The man would go to hell and back for W Bush.

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Originally posted by The17sss Well said. My BFF Lebezniatnikov will love this post (my bet is he doesn't even really read it because it's Limbaugh's words). At least he has the stones to say what nobody on the Democrat side has the courage to admit about Powell. Enjoy: Rush Limbaugh's dipshit diatribe

Yes, it's all about race. You are a complete fuckwad. Maybe you should have spent a similar amount of time watching Colin Powell's actual endorsement, which had nothing to do with race. But let's ignore all of the relevant comments that were actually stated about how McCain will be less helpful to the US than Obama for many legitimate reasons and pull speculative racial connotations.

You people are a fucking disgrace to this country. According to your moronic pundits and the McCain/Palin/GOP campaigns, it's the "Un-American liberals" that got attacked on 9/11, yet for some reason you dipshits care more retaliation for those attacks on areas that you don't even consider part of "real America" than the residents. Well maybe not real retaliation - it's just an excuse to kill people who weren't involved on 9/11. Or better yet, encourage more attacks so that "The South shall rise again" after the major Northeastern metropolises are wiped out due to further attacks inspired by the blowback caused by the unilateral aggressiveness of people who don't even live in the target areas.

Just out of curiousity, is that moron Robin Hayes your representative - you know, the one that says that "liberals hate real Americans?"

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Watch these picturary retards bang their fuckin' skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom,
Here you go America you are free to do as we tell you
We want your soul
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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Yes, it's all about race. You are a complete fuckwad. Maybe you should have spent a similar amount of time watching Colin Powell's actual endorsement, which had nothing to do with race. But let's ignore all of the relevant comments that were actually stated about how McCain will be less helpful to the US than Obama for many legitimate reasons and pull speculative racial connotations. You people are a fucking disgrace to this country. According to your moronic pundits and the McCain/Palin/GOP campaigns, it's the "Un-American liberals" that got attacked on 9/11, yet for some reason you dipshits care more retaliation for those attacks on areas that you don't even consider part of "real America" than the residents. Well maybe not real retaliation - it's just an excuse to kill people who weren't involved on 9/11. Or better yet, encourage more attacks so that "The South shall rise again" after the major Northeastern metropolises are wiped out due to further attacks inspired by the blowback caused by the unilateral aggressiveness of people who don't even live in the target areas.

mm hmm... brilliant and salient liberal tactic as always, which is to insult and personally attack the individual rather than the topic. You're a sad, sad little man. I DID watch the endorsement, and I still disagree with his reasoning and points about policy, which is why I DO believe it is about race. You liberals are all so convinced that anything that comes out of Obama's mouth and the mouths of those who support him are so true, that if there are dissenting opinions that they can't possibly be right. And I bet if he loses, you will be so convinced that the majority of Americans must be stupid, or racist, or both, because Obama's way is the right way. You've been so bombarded by left leaning, pro Obama, Bush hating media for so long that you all actually believe the shit they spew on a daily basis is how the majority of Americans really feel. Is there 1 single thing about Obama and/or his polcies that you disagree with?


Even when a democrat black man says it's about race, will you still say it has nothing to do with race? fast forward to 1:20 in the clip. lol... how is it NOT about race?



and WTF is that shit about 9/11 and "the south will rise again" mullarky? Where did that come from? I'm not represented by the picture you painted in that paragraph. And I'm not even originally from the south! My whole family and I are from the Boston area.

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Originally posted by The17sss and WTF is that shit about 9/11 and "the south will rise again" mullarky? Where did that come from? I'm not represented by the picture you painted in that paragraph. And I'm not even originally from the south! My whole family and I are from the Boston area.

Going back to when they came to the US, my family has been from Western PA (myself for the first 18 years of my life), so what does that tell you about where you're originally from and your current ideals.

It's rather ironic that you point to my "personal attacks" while ignoring all the ones that are coming out of your party these days.

BTW, I'm so liberal that I voted for McCain over Bush as a registered Republican in 2000, so please do fuck off. To be honest, the vitriol might be so severe because of the betrayal that he's shown for his values a few years ago. Granted, there are things that I disagreed with him about then (just like there are things I disagree with Obama about now), but he completely sold his soul for this nomination by embracing all the fringe elements that turned me away from the GOP with Bush's election.

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"Go back to bed america your government is in control
Here's American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it,
Watch these picturary retards bang their fuckin' skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom,
Here you go America you are free to do as we tell you
We want your soul
Your cash, your house, your phone, your cash, your house, your life" -Adam Freeland - We Want Your Soul

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Originally posted by The17sss Even when a democrat black man says it's about race, will you still say it has nothing to do with race? fast forward to 1:20 in the clip. lol... how is it NOT about race?

Proof positive that idiocy doesn't know party lines.

He's wrong, you're wrong, Rush is wrong. It had nothing to do with race.

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Originally posted by The17sss You liberals are all so convinced that anything that comes out of Obama's mouth and the mouths of those who support him are so true, that if there are dissenting opinions that they can't possibly be right. And I bet if he loses, you will be so convinced that the majority of Americans must be stupid, or racist, or both, because Obama's way is the right way. You've been so bombarded by left leaning, pro Obama, Bush hating media for so long that you all actually believe the shit they spew on a daily basis is how the majority of Americans really feel. Is there 1 single thing about Obama and/or his polcies that you disagree with?

It's kind of coincidental that today I mentioned the Robin Hayes quote to a co-worker that supports McCain. Because he knows me well, he said "you don't really consider yourself a liberal, do you?" because he's a more traditional conservative (not a neo-con nut) and we have many similar values that have been negated by the change in the parties over the past bunch of years.

Main point - if this is true, here's something that I completely disagree with Obama on

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WASHINGTON---The Obama campaign is putting a hefty price tag on the best camera and reporting positions for news organizations covering Barack Obama's outdoor election night activities in downtown Chicago. If a reporter wants access to the file center--which will be the best place to find Obama officials and spokesmen--be prepared to write a check for $935. The cheapest place a reporter could stand on a riser with a view is $880. That $935 covers one reporter in a heated file tent, power, cable tv, internet and food. I am told by an Obama spokesman who did not want his name used that this just covers costs and they are not turning a profit on this. The planners could have built in more al a carte options for Grant Park coverage. This is an outrageous pay to play plan that caters to national elite outlets with deep pockets. I am not asking for a free ride--news outlets pay for plane seats, other transportation organized by the campaign, hotel rooms, plus associated costs for filing centers. But this Election Night list is pricey and does not take into account some reporters won't need power, cable, internet or food but will crave the access more than the food. As I was talking to this unnamed spokesman about this enormously expensive set-up, he did say--that a news outlet could rotate people in and out of the tent on that one credential. Great. A general media area will be created where a reporter could watch for free, but the set-up is separate, unequal and clearly second class when it comes to getting top access to campaign people. The campaign could not have made going to the free space more unappealing. If will be "outdoors, unassigned and may have obstructed views. General Media Area credentials do not include access to riser positions, satellite truck parking or the press filing center." UPDATE To be clear: no one is asking for anything to be free for the press. It's just that the package of services packaged by the campaign is expensive and includes things not every outlet needs. Obama's top donors--not the masses who donated the $5, $10 and $25 the campaign brag about--will have VIP access throughout election night and received an early heads up a week ago to plan to spend Election Night in Chicago. Here's a story about this posted by Greg Hinz at Crain's Chicago Business. Click below for the price list FROM THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN.... The following coverage resource packages are available for purchase: * Main Riser Position - $935 (Includes 4 Main Riser Credentials, 5'x8' Slot on Covered Main Riser and one 20 amp circuit) * Main Riser Position with Telecommunications - $1870 (Includes Main Riser Position services, PLUS two unlimited long distance/local phone lines and one wired high speed internet connection) * Cut Riser Position - $880 (Includes 4 Cut Riser Credentials, 5'x8' Slot on Covered Cut Riser, one 20 amp circuit) * Cut Riser Position with Telecommunications - $1815 (Includes Cut Riser Position services, PLUS two unlimited long distance/local phone lines and one wired high speed internet connection) * Press File Seat - $935 (includes 1 Press File Credential, seat in heated Press File Tent, Power, Cable Television, High Speed Wired Internet Service, Catering) * Satellite Truck Position - $900 (includes 35'x20' parking position and 100 amp electrical service) * Radio Position - $715 (includes table space and chair behind the riser, power and an ISDN BRI line for radio -- comes with two credentials) Billing information must be submitted at as part of the request. Your credit card will not be charged until the campaign confirms your coverage resource package request. Coverage resource packages must be requested at: http://www.barackobama.com/pressbilling Additional services may be purchased a la carte: * Unlimited Long Distance Phone Line - $300 * High Speed Wired Internet - $275 * One 20 amp circuit - $165 For telephone service internet connectivity and additional power, orders must be placed by October 23rd, 2008. For questions on pricing or additional telecommunications assistance, please contact (deleted) The following credentials may be requested at no cost: * General Press Area - No Charge (Includes access to bike racked press area with standing room only) You must fill out the form to the right to request each individual General Press Area credential. Request media credentials for the Election Night event: Credentials to access the General Media Area are available at no cost. Please note that the General Media Area is outdoors, unassigned and may have obstructed views. General Media Area credentials do not include access to riser positions, satellite truck parking or the press filing center. Access to those resources are available for purchase at http://www.barackobama.com/pressbilling. Space is limited. Email: * First Name: * Last Name: * Phone: * Media Outlet/Affiliation: * Media call letters (if applicable): Base of Operations: Country name (required if international): City media outlet is based: * Media Type: Photography TV Camera TV Audio TV Producer TV Talent TV Support Radio Print Internet * denotes required field http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/200...ng_chicago.html

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Here's American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it,
Watch these picturary retards bang their fuckin' skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom,
Here you go America you are free to do as we tell you
We want your soul
Your cash, your house, your phone, your cash, your house, your life" -Adam Freeland - We Want Your Soul

that's what happens when you force candidates to raise their own money. capitalism at its finest, i would have thought a conservative like yourself would commend his business nous

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN that's what happens when you force candidates to raise their own money. capitalism at its finest, i would have thought a conservative like yourself would commend his business nous

It's pretty funny that I get fundraising BS from McCain/Palin since my email address from 2000 forwards to my current one. I've never unsubscribed because it's interesting to see what your opponents are saying, but they've been bitching non-stop about Obama's "special interest" contributions. 3 Million people...yeah, all special interests. I dropped a few hundred, as did lots of others that I know.

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"Go back to bed america your government is in control
Here's American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it,
Watch these picturary retards bang their fuckin' skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom,
Here you go America you are free to do as we tell you
We want your soul
Your cash, your house, your phone, your cash, your house, your life" -Adam Freeland - We Want Your Soul

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Going back to when they came to the US, my family has been from Western PA (myself for the first 18 years of my life), so what does that tell you about where you're originally from and your current ideals. It's rather ironic that you point to my "personal attacks" while ignoring all the ones that are coming out of your party these days. BTW, I'm so liberal that I voted for McCain over Bush as a registered Republican in 2000, so please do fuck off. To be honest, the vitriol might be so severe because of the betrayal that he's shown for his values a few years ago. Granted, there are things that I disagreed with him about then (just like there are things I disagree with Obama about now), but he completely sold his soul for this nomination by embracing all the fringe elements that turned me away from the GOP with Bush's election.

huh? you lost me man. Wherever your family came from, and wherever you came from has nothing to do with your insinuation about who I am and what my beliefs are as per the paragraph you laid out about "people like me" in that tangent of a paragraph with the "9/11, south will rise again" nonsense. You are describing someone that isn't me, so your whole premise is wrong. Because I don't want Obama as president doesn't make me that type of person you described by fiat.

About your line:

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It's rather ironic that you point to my "personal attacks" while ignoring all the ones that are coming out of your party these days.

Really? that's ironic? First of all, YOU started with the personal attacks on me. That's how it usually works here... I talk about political stuff, and the retorts are hateful personal blasts... only makes you look like the moron. Secondly, the Obama campaign is spending more than the McCain campaign on negative ads, and is currently spending more in negative ads than any candidate in history.

As for your last paragraph, yes you are a fucking liberal if you believe in Obama's policies... sorry, but that's a fact because they are liberal and he is a far left leaning liberal based on his voting record. Why you take that so harshly I don't know. Because you voted for McCain in the 2000 primary doesn't mean you aren't liberal today. I don't like or agree with a lot of what McCain is peddling, but I'd rather have him running the show than Obama. It's funny that you are saying he's embracing the "fringe" elements of the GOP, and that is what's turning you off to him, because the majority conservative base of the republican party is having a hard time embracing McCain because he is adopting left leaning policies, no doubt to try to attract dem/indp. voters.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Proof positive that idiocy doesn't know party lines. He's wrong, you're wrong, Rush is wrong. It had nothing to do with race.

I say absolutely yes, you say absolutely no. Perhaps it's somewhere in the middle?

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Originally posted by The17sss I say absolutely yes, you say absolutely no. Perhaps it's somewhere in the middle?

Just because you can't compute a Republican endorsing Obama doesn't mean it's automatically about race. You bring some evidence to bear to suggest that it is, and I'll listen. Until then all you have are racist suppositions. How would you like it if I suggested that you just like McCain cause he's the only white guy on a major party ticket for President?

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