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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN that does sound pretty fucked :/

everything sounds bad when it's over exaggerated

you now have to wait 20 years longer before plagiarising a dead americans work.

it's not like you couldnt be extradited before for breaking US laws, just now in addition, if you break american copyright law, it's possible for you to be extradited even if said offence did not occur on US soil.

despite the aforementioned restrictions there has been an increase in exports to the US.

ok PBS bad.

not that the FTA has been beneficial for us, but it's not like we weren't sucking up to the US before it

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Originally posted by DJ_Ballistic everything sounds bad when it's over exaggerated you now have to wait 20 years longer before plagiarising a dead americans work. it's not like you couldnt be extradited before for breaking US laws, just now in addition, if you break american copyright law, it's possible for you to be extradited even if said offence did not occur on US soil. despite the aforementioned restrictions there has been an increase in exports to the US. ok PBS bad. not that the FTA has been beneficial for us, but it's not like we weren't sucking up to the US before it

Thanks for that. I presumed sunrise might be paraphrasing with a bit of bias, so I appreciate the extra info! And ballistic posting on TA! It’s a memorable day for all!

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN And ballistic posting on TA! It’s a memorable day for all!

unemployment blows, it's a sad day when you see someone mention a trade agreement, and then have the time to actually go and read about it

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Originally posted by DJ_Ballistic unemployment blows, it's a sad day when you see someone mention a trade agreement, and then have the time to actually go and read about it

No no! being poor sucks, but unemployment RULES!!

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Originally posted by DJ_Ballistic everything sounds bad when it's over exaggerated you now have to wait 20 years longer before plagiarising a dead americans work. it's not like you couldnt be extradited before for breaking US laws, just now in addition, if you break american copyright law, it's possible for you to be extradited even if said offence did not occur on US soil. despite the aforementioned restrictions there has been an increase in exports to the US. ok PBS bad. not that the FTA has been beneficial for us, but it's not like we weren't sucking up to the US before it

now you're over simplifying it

what about the changes to trademarks and patents here
and not only do we have the US copyright laws, we're actually even worse than they are; we dont have fair use.


as for extradition in the case of intellectual property.. you think it's OK for someone to be extradited because some foreign COMPANY think its being hurt? we have our own courts to deal with that. don't you think that's how it should be handled?
that's the major problem with the US IP laws, it's all about protecting corporations. and now that's what we have here

if there weren't export restrictions, probably could have exported even more to them.
I suppose also while some of the tarrifs on our exports to them are removed (while in return theirs WERE NOT? there's another wtf. Shouldn't this be helping both parties, not everything ONE WAY? ok, so magically to a degree it is a free trade agreement, but for the US only), would have helped when it comes to this. but at the same time, there's more red tape on exporting to them now too, which would have caused reductions. (edit: shouldn't a trade agreement promote trade and REDUCE red tape????)

edit: and what kind of free trade agreement is mostly not related to trade? sounds like they're trying to pass off a bunch of other shit, but hide it under a good name 'oooo free trade... what's wrong with that? it must be a good thing!'
gum nuts.

see, i tried to avoid saying anything, because you're better off doing your own research and coming up to your own decision then taking snippets from different people.

i'll leave it at that, because it can go back and forth all day.

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Last edited by sunrise3500 on Nov-07-2008 at 01:55

I have been following this on whirlpool for a while and simply cant believe it. It has been planned for quiet a while and I am pretty sure it is in affect in some places as a trial but I don't think that many people know about it.

Any half witted computer user would know it takes a matter of seconds to find a way around this (proxy or tunnel).

I guess its time I also started writing some letters to some ministers whilst urging others to do the same.


EDIT: Not that this is completely relevant but its funny how once Rudd won the election he not only deleted his face book but he banned all his staff from using it (yes including outside of the office)
And the whole national broadband network plan is full of fail, see here.

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Originally posted by sunrise3500 now you're over simplifying it what about the changes to trademarks and patents here and not only do we have the US copyright laws, we're actually even worse than they are; we dont have fair use. as for extradition in the case of intellectual property.. you think it's OK for someone to be extradited because some foreign COMPANY think its being hurt? we have our own courts to deal with that. don't you think that's how it should be handled? that's the major problem with the US IP laws, it's all about protecting corporations. and now that's what we have here if there weren't export restrictions, probably could have exported even more to them. I suppose also while some of the tarrifs on our exports to them are removed (while in return theirs WERE NOT? there's another wtf. Shouldn't this be helping both parties, not everything ONE WAY? ok, so magically to a degree it is a free trade agreement, but for the US only), would have helped when it comes to this. but at the same time, there's more red tape on exporting to them now too, which would have caused reductions. (edit: shouldn't a trade agreement promote trade and REDUCE red tape????) edit: and what kind of free trade agreement is mostly not related to trade? sounds like they're trying to pass off a bunch of other shit, but hide it under a good name 'oooo free trade... what's wrong with that? it must be a good thing!' gum nuts. see, i tried to avoid saying anything, because you're better off doing your own research and coming up to your own decision then taking snippets from different people. i'll leave it at that, because it can go back and forth all day.

it can't go back and forth coz i don't disagree with you

just your over the top statement that THIS is what put our head up america's ass.

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Originally posted by DJ_Ballistic just your over the top statement that THIS is what put our head up america's ass.

no no
this is just another EXAMPLE that shows that our head is up their ass and it's up even further!

or someone's was...

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Originally posted by T-Soma EDIT: Not that this is completely relevant but its funny how once Rudd won the election he not only deleted his face book but he banned all his staff from using it (yes including outside of the office) And the whole national broadband network plan is full of fail, see here.

Wasn't a big part of Rudd's election promise, newer, faster and better internet?

How much of that has eventuated or they have actually begun work on? Zero.

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Originally posted by Fledz Wasn't a big part of Rudd's election promise, newer, faster and better internet? How much of that has eventuated or they have actually begun work on? Zero.

I for one hope that we keep what we have.

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Originally posted by Fledz Wasn't a big part of Rudd's election promise, newer, faster and better internet? How much of that has eventuated or they have actually begun work on? Zero.

There is a giant auction going on at the moment to see who gets rights to set-up the new network, but its just pissing money up against the wall. I think the main problem is that Stephen Conroy (Broadband Minister) is a complete knob. He is constantly ignoring the advice of many of the top engineers from Australian telco's and is instead enjoying the support from the ever *cough*logical*cough* support of the Christian Lobby Group.

Don't quote me on this one but aparently the new network only promises 12mb connections to every home... wtf? We are already getting 20-30mb from cable and adsl2+.