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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles ^ Agreed with both you guys. I have dozens of soft synths and loads of samples, and I'm always tweaking them so I find it hard to "commit" to something I've made. I get bored with one synth or effect, so I start playing with another instead of working on the sounds I've already made on the first. I bet that if I had just one hardware synth, a sampler, and a few effects units I would have made many more tracks than I have.

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that is why i'm dropping all this software bullshit and investing back into some hands-on gear, i'm just so sick of using a mouse. same goes with dj'ing, i'm dropping ableton for general mixing and going back to turntables and cd's. maybe the mixing isn't going to be perfect but at least i know i'll have much more fun playing music than i would by pressing buttons and staring at the computer all day

I had to drop ableton for mixing and buy another set of techs, a xone, and traktor scratch because I need the hands on feel.

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Are these better than the Genelec 8040s that are in the same price range?

Just got them in today and impression at this point is quite positive. Interestingly enough, I didn't notice much of a difference between the Focals and HR824s when just listening to music. Highs were definitely clearer and sounds had a much better stereo image, but overall, nothing amazing. I kinda got bored of listening after just a few tracks.

However, producing with them is a whole other story. Even though I didn't notice a huge change between these and the HR824s (I can't A/B them as I sold the HR824s last week), mixing definitely feels easier. I don't have to turn it up really loud or stare at my speakers, trying to decipher what I'm hearing. Everything is just... there... plain and easy to hear. Like their slogan 'listen to your music, not your speakers'.


I'll post some more indepth comments after I use them for a week or two.

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If these are new, you must expect some weeks before they "blossom"

My initial feeling of them was that they didn´t sound as good as I´d hoped. But after a while, they started to sound better.
I put them together facing each other as close as possible, played a segment of a pretty bassy track, with lots of volume
in the whole spectrum - on repeat. I did this in cubase, so I could duplicate the track, and phase reverse one of them panning left, the other one right.
I usually left them playing for 3-4 hours each day, at reasonable volume.

BTW they look great in your studio!

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Originally posted by Beyer If these are new, you must expect some weeks before they "blossom" My initial feeling of them was that they didn´t sound as good as I´d hoped. But after a while, they started to sound better. I put them together facing each other as close as possible, played a segment of a pretty bassy track, with lots of volume in the whole spectrum - on repeat. I did this in cubase, so I could duplicate the track, and phase reverse one of them panning left, the other one right. I usually left them playing for 3-4 hours each day, at reasonable volume. BTW they look great in your studio!

That's something interesting to try. They are a used pair, but lightly used. They were new just 3 months ago and were used on only a couple tracks.

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100 hours of heavy use will loose up all speakers.

Nice alanzo. Keep us updated as you get used to using them. I'm quite curious.

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Alright, so I've been using these for about a week now and completed my first track on them (DEMO). Really, at first listen, there wasn't much of a difference between these and the HR824s. I couldn't A/B them, but I didn't hear anything amazing. My first listen only lasted about 20 minutes because I got bored and started to work on some music.

Really, just like with high quality DACs, sound is what it is. Once you hit a certain level, that's basically as good as it gets. However, there is A LOT of subtlety to be made up for with higher quality gear. I'm not even sure if I can explain it. I don't know why my latest track sounds 10x better than my previous one. It just does.

Listening to a pair of high quality speakers (HR824s) vs. producing music on gear that IS MEANT for it, is completely different. This is why I don't produce music on headphones, because they're good for listening to music, just like no one produces music on their home or car stereos. Because they're just good for listening to music.

The difference between audiophile systems and studio monitors is that studio monitors don't make everything sound good. I've read that a hundred times, but I've never really understood it. If you make a track sound good on an audiophile system, it will only sound good on that system. But if you make your track sound good on studio monitors, it will sound good everywhere. If you listened to the demo vs. my last track produced on the Mackies, there is a HUGE quality difference. I didn't do anything different. I'm still the same producer I've always been. The difference is what I used to listen to the production as I made it.

And that's really where it lies. The HR824s are audiophile speakers, it says so right on the box: "THX Certified". The Twin6s are studio monitors.

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Originally posted by alanzo Alright, so I've been using these for about a week now and completed my first track on them (DEMO). Really, at first listen, there wasn't much of a difference between these and the HR824s. I couldn't A/B them, but I didn't hear anything amazing. My first listen only lasted about 20 minutes because I got bored and started to work on some music. Really, just like with high quality DACs, sound is what it is. Once you hit a certain level, that's basically as good as it gets. However, there is A LOT of subtlety to be made up for with higher quality gear. I'm not even sure if I can explain it. I don't know why my latest track sounds 10x better than my previous one. It just does. Listening to a pair of high quality speakers (HR824s) vs. producing music on gear that IS MEANT for it, is completely different. This is why I don't produce music on headphones, because they're good for listening to music, just like no one produces music on their home or car stereos. Because they're just good for listening to music. The difference between audiophile systems and studio monitors is that studio monitors don't make everything sound good. I've read that a hundred times, but I've never really understood it. If you make a track sound good on an audiophile system, it will only sound good on that system. But if you make your track sound good on studio monitors, it will sound good everywhere. If you listened to the demo vs. my last track produced on the Mackies, there is a HUGE quality difference. I didn't do anything different. I'm still the same producer I've always been. The difference is what I used to listen to the production as I made it. And that's really where it lies. The HR824s are audiophile speakers, it says so right on the box: "THX Certified". The Twin6s are studio monitors.

Very informative thanks Alan.

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Exactly right Alan! Right on the money.