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Originally posted by Sorin.16v The thing that pisses me off though is that yesterday for example, the highway was completely dry in all 3 lanes, and people were still going 60-80km/h in fairly light traffic

for real
what is wrong with these people i wonder
why would you go that slow?

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Winter tires are now mandatory in Québec, i think its a grat thing. 85% of cars had them anyways, it was those 15% that were really pissed off with this.

When you drive, you notice right away who has them and who doesn't on hills, curves and at lights/stops.

Nerveous idiots driving with all seasons are so slow and slow down everyone else too.

Anyways, I had the X-Ice for past four winters and last summer, and they did great. Got Dunlop Graspic Ice this time around, pretty good reviews for the price they're selling for (500$ for 16inchers). I'm not willing to keep my car for long, so didn't want to invest in 1000$ X-Ice 2

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Originally posted by Sorin.16v It's usually the drivers that are the problem, not the tires. A good driver will be OK on decent "all-season" tires. Just have to know how to handle your car and not get yourself into dangerous situations, and if you do get into it, you have to know how to react. Proper winter tires WILL make a big difference in bad conditions, but they can be done without, especially in Toronto where for the most part, the roads on which you go faster get cleaned up fairly quick. The thing that pisses me off though is that yesterday for example, the highway was completely dry in all 3 lanes, and people were still going 60-80km/h in fairly light traffic

It is usually the driver that is the problem, but obviously you can only be so cautious. If black ice comes out of no where on a road, even if you are going 40km/h you can still crash.

Also, winter tires are not just for snow. The roads can be cleared but if it's -30C out, the all seasons will not stick to the road as much as winter tires. The compound in the winter tires is much softer, so that they can stay soft at colder temps. In very cold weather, which we've had a lot of the last few winters, all seasons are going to be way more stiff on the road and will have less traction compared to winter tires.

It's just the smart thing to do to make it safer to drive. You can be an amazing driver, but there's no doubt that you will stop faster on black ice with winter tires rather than all season tires. If someone pulls out in front of me I would rather have winter tires than all seasons. It's proved that they work better than all seasons, so it just kinda makes sense that a smart person would purchase these to make it safer to drive lol.

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Originally posted by Playa24_7 It is usually the driver that is the problem, but obviously you can only be so cautious. If black ice comes out of no where on a road, even if you are going 40km/h you can still crash. Also, winter tires are not just for snow. The roads can be cleared but if it's -30C out, the all seasons will not stick to the road as much as winter tires. The compound in the winter tires is much softer, so that they can stay soft at colder temps. In very cold weather, which we've had a lot of the last few winters, all seasons are going to be way more stiff on the road and will have less traction compared to winter tires. It's just the smart thing to do to make it safer to drive. You can be an amazing driver, but there's no doubt that you will stop faster on black ice with winter tires rather than all season tires. If someone pulls out in front of me I would rather have winter tires than all seasons. It's proved that they work better than all seasons, so it just kinda makes sense that a smart person would purchase these to make it safer to drive lol.

I agree with everything you said. All-seasons are not as good, but are fine in cold weather, I've driven on different brands/sizes of all-seasons over the past 5-6 years and they have more than enough grip in the dry/salty roads.
Winter tires are the best choice, but not a necessity if you're comfortable with your driving skills and your car.

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Originally posted by Engine9 got those last year from kipling tire love these, soft, handle amazing on highway and highspeed plow right thru snow NEVER got stuck last winter, precision control best 600 ive spent on my car so far

I'm pretty sure that those tires are a new model this year, and there's no way you'd get a set of four for $600... is it possible you're thinking of the Eagle Ultra Grip, which are also rated very highly?

I finally picked up the UGP last weekend from a Goodyear dealer (bit of a ripoff, but at least they could get the friggin' tires), and not a moment too soon! The snow literally started piling up while it was in the garage getting the tires changed.

Have to say that they easily outperform the X-Ice and just about any other winter tire I've tried. There hasn't even been a slip, except for one hard acceleration from idle (had to test the limits of course). There hasn't been any really excessive snow and ice yet, obviously, but with what's out there now, it handles pretty much the same as the OEM all-weathers did in the spring. If you didn't look at the ground, you wouldn't even know that there was snow down there.

Of course, at that price, I wouldn't recommend them to anybody who doesn't need V-rated tires, but among the other "performance" options (i.e. the Michelin Alpin PA3 and Nokian Hippopotamusawhatevers), these are definitely the best.

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Originally posted by geroin why would you go that slow?

Because it's DANGEROUS out there!!!!11

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This is the 3rd winter I go into with a set of Kumho KW17s. They're inexpensive and perform remarkably well.

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Winter tires vs. all-seasons


It's happend to me just 2 weeks ago on a similar hill in King, and passed the doubters with glee.

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