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Originally posted by The17sss We can't judge him positively or negatively yet in that role.

For once, I completely agree with you. I think it's a bit quick on the trigger to criticize him for not having done much, considering he hasn't even taken the oath of office yet.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy He's not the fucking president for about 40 more days. He has no power. What do you expect him to do? He's stuck with a Congress that will be completely restructured in a few weeks, which is too long to fix some problems, like the US auto industry that will be dead by then.

lol... take a valium man. You are reiterating my whole point: that we need time, as in years, to really judge whether or not he's done anything legit. I was just saying to Clovis that I didn't think being an accomplished writer or speaker counted as "legit"... sheesh

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov For once, I completely agree with you. I think it's a bit quick on the trigger to criticize him for not having done much, considering he hasn't even taken the oath of office yet.

true true. It's going to be a hindsight thing or a "reflecting on the time when..." thing somewhere around 2011 to see where the return on this investment really is.

For one thing, some of his appointments so far have been fucking fantastic...

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Blagojevich Expected to Name Replacement to Fill Obama's Senate Seat Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich is expected to name a replacement to fill President-elect Barack Obama's vacant U.S. Senate seat Tuesday, even as Senate Democrats assure the governor they will block the appointment. Blagojevich, who is facing federal charges and impeachment proceedings after being accused of trying to sell Obama's seat, plans to name former Illinois Attorney General Roland Burris to fill the vacancy, according to the Chicago Tribune and The Wall Street Journal. Illinois Senate President Emil Jones also told the Associated Press that the governor has chosen Burris for the job. Watch Illinois Gov. Blagojevich's press conference at 3 p.m. ET on FOX News and FOXNews.com. But U.S. Senate Democrats released a statement Tuesday afternoon urging Blagojevich not to follow through, claiming they would not seat any candidate he sends to Washington. They have urged Blagojevich to step down since he was arrested. "It is truly regrettable that despite requests from all 50 Democratic Senators and public officials throughout Illinois, Gov. Blagojevich would take the imprudent step of appointing someone to the United States Senate who would serve under a shadow and be plagued by questions of impropriety," the Democrats said in the written statement Tuesday. Illinois Secretary of State Jesse White also said he would not certify such an appointment. Concerns are widespread that such an appointment would be tainted since Blagojevich is facing charges for his alleged attempts to extract favors and contributions from potential candidates. Several unidentified Senate candidates are referenced in transcripts of wiretapped conversations with Blagojevich; Burris has not been identified as one of them. Blagojevich's lawyer Ed Genson told reporters just two weeks ago that because of the threats from Senate lawmakers, the governor would not attempt to appoint anybody to the seat. Illinois House Republican Leader Tom Cross told FOXNews.com he was shocked by the governor's apparent turnaround. "It's unbelievable," he said. "I can't comprehend that it's even happening." But he predicted that Burris and Blagojevich would fight hard to defend the legitimacy of the decision. "It's complete disregard for the will of the people of our state," said Illinois state Rep. Susana Mendoza, a Democrat, calling the move "brazen" and "disgusting." The Tribune reports that Burris, 71, has been interested in the appointment since Obama's Election Day victory, though he was not considered a top candidate for the job. However, he reportedly stepped up his lobbying effort after the governor's arrest. Burris is a prolific contributor to Democratic candidates, Blagojevich among them. State campaign finance records show he and his wife have donated $4,500 to Blagojevich's campaign fund since 2004. Burris has also contributed to Obama and Vice President-elect Joe Biden. Burris served as state attorney general from 1991 to 1995. He earlier served as state comptroller, and made history as the first black elected to statewide office. Blagojevich's announcement could complicate matters for the Illinois House panel examining grounds for his impeachment. If the governor appoints a replacement and that replacement is accepted, the scenario could implicitly affirm the governor's authority. Genson has argued that the threshold for impeachment has not been met. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/200...as-senate-seat/

Idiot. Get him the fuck out of there geez

Check out this bullshit. If you're short on time skip ahead to 3:25 and watch Rep. Bobby Rush, a former Black Panther, stoop to some of the most exquisite race-baiting you'll ever see. I don't want to spoil the surprise, but the word lynch makes a cameo.



Then watch here as Lt. Governor Pat Quinn rips Blago to pieces

wait-Obama was the sole African american senator?

haha Mr. Burris is gonna be sitting by himself at lunchtime

He won't be seated if Harry Reid has any balls.

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How embarassing. Blagojevich's fatal flaw is his lack of subtlety.

That won't do at all. At least half of politics is dissimulation.

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Burris denied seat in US Senate to succeed Obama By LAURIE KELLMAN and ANN SANNER, Associated Press Writers Tuesday, January 6, 2009 Illinois U.S. Senate appointee Roland Burris talks with r... Roland Burris reacts to a speech by U.S. Rep. Bobby Rush,... Roland Burris right, and wife Berlean, second from right,... Gov. Rod Blagojevich (left) appears with his pick, Ronald... (01-06) 08:35 PST WASHINGTON, (AP) -- Roland Burris announced Tuesday he was rejected for Barack Obama's Senate seat, in a bizarre rainy-day scene on the Capitol grounds as lawmakers awaited the gaveling of the 111th Congress into session. Standing amid a huge throng of reporters and television cameras in a cold and steady rain, Burris, 71, declared that he had been informed that "my credentials are not in order and will not be accepted." The former Illinois attorney general said he was "not seeking to have any type of confrontation" over taking the seat that he was appointed to by embattled Gov. Rod Blagojevich. But Burris also said he was looking at options for taking the seat. It was a spectacular demonstration of political gridlock at a time when the Democratic-controlled Congress has been eagerly awaiting Obama's inauguration while nervously anticipating tense work on a much-discussed stimulus program to steady the faltering economy. An attorney for Burris, Timothy W. Wright III, said that "our credentials were rejected by the secretary of the Senate. We were not allowed to be placed in the record books. We were not allowed to proceed to the floor for purposes of taking oath. All of which we think was improperly done and is against the law of this land. We will consider our options and we will certainly let you know what our decisions will be soon thereafter." Asked what his options were, Wright said there possibly could be a court challenge and he said that Burris also would continue to talk to the Senate leadership. There had been earlier indications that the Senate would disallow Burris to take his seat, at least in part because his letter of appointment from Blagojevich was not co-signed by Illinois Secretary of State Jesse White. Some of Burris' supporters have bemoaned the fact that Democrats would stand in the way of the Senate gaining its only black member. Burris himself downplayed the issue of race, telling reporters: "I cannot control my supporters. I have never in my life, in all my years of being elected to office, thought anything about race." Earlier Tuesday, Burris had tense negotiations with Terrence Gainer, the Senate's sergeant at arms. "I'm presenting myself as the legally appointed senator from the state of Illinois. It is my hope and prayer that they recognize that the appointment is legal," he said earlier in a nationally broadcast interview. Burris dismissed the Senate Democratic leadership's position that he cannot be seated because he was appointed by a governor accused in a criminal complaint of trying to benefit financially from his authority to fill the seat that Obama vacated after winning the presidential election. Burriss said his belief is that his appointment is constitutional and that "I have no knowledge of where a secretary of state has veto power over a governor carrying out his constitutional duties." Burris also maintained that the announcement by Blagojevich Monday of a date for an election for a successor to Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., proves the governor still has legal authority to carry out his duties. Emanuel will be Obama's White House chief of staff. "There's nothing wrong with Roland Burris and there's nothing wrong with the appointment," Burris said. Burris has found little support among fellow Democrats. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., had said Monday that Burris would not be permitted to take his seat because Burris "has not been certified by the state of Illinois," a reference to incomplete paperwork that only touches on the dispute. Senate Democrats maintain that Burris' appointment is tainted because of the charges against Blagojevich. While Blagojevich has signed formal appointment papers, White has not, and Senate rules require that signature. Burris, in turn, has gone to court hoping to win an order for White to sign the necessary paperwork, and he has also threatened to sue to take his seat in the Senate. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c.../w095056S89.DTL

Whew! Democrats actually flexing and showing some balls, imagine that. This could be an indication that the leadership isn't going to put up with any shady activity. Like all the scandals that rocked the republican congress not far back. (Stevens, Craig, DeLay)

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