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Originally posted by George Pullman I like much of the thinking here in this thread. My name is George Pullman, inventor of the Pullman sleeping car and founder of the Pullman Company. I can tell you right now... You shouldn't tolerate these "Unions". They are all crooks. My workers get paid a fair wage, don't believe their lies. They also live in a town which I built, Pullman, Illinois (Right outside of Chicago) so they can work and live in the same area! I've done so much for these workers, and they had the nerve to orchestrate a strike! You want to know what I did? I called the fucking U.S. Army and crushed their precious little demonstration. Hear that? The U.S. Army. That's right, they work for me. They killed a few of my workers, but these were insubordinate lazy slobs, anyway. Good riddance, I say. So WHAT if I don't pay them a lot of money. Workers are paid to WORK, not get rich! That's my job.

you seriously went through the effort of making an alt to post this?

fyi: 1894 != 2008 times have changed the need for labor unions to protect workers is gone

lol well played Mr Pullman

Too bad rail travel in the US is fucked too

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Originally posted by Lira You know, they should let Detroit die. Even twice, if necessary. I'm sure its death is going to spawn a new wave of techno music. This time around, however, robots from the bankrupt industries will produce the music themselves, giving birth to a harsher, colder, fuller sound, that can't be compared to the flaming music produced by a bunch of black gay guys playing with knobs in Belleville... and that's going to eventually kill Eminem. Awesome, huh?

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Originally posted by XaNaX you seriously went through the effort of making an alt to post this?

+1 just for one post, we've got some serious losers on TA what a waste of bandwidth.

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Originally posted by fayraree +1 just for one post, we've got some serious losers on TA what a waste of bandwidth.

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Whoa, what's with all the anti-union nonsense?

Anyone who thinks autoworkers in the big 3 are overpaid compared to their non-unionized counterparts in Honda/Toyota/Nissan factories is just ill-informed:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/10/b...onhardt.html?em

Secondly, how can you be so short-sighted? Unions have outlived their utility?? I can't believe what I'm hearing. Look dudes, we don't have to hypothesize about what a union-free market looks like. We literally lived through one in the late 1800s and early 1900s. You get robber barons, company towns and the inevitable race for the bottom of the pay scale. That sort of unrestrained capitalism was as much as failure as socialism.

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I used to work for a union auto company (GM), and the shop i worked for is closing its doors the 23rd, leaving the entire city i used to live in jobless pretty much. it's the oldest GM plant in america.

anyways, i disagree with the "big 3 bailout" but i'm more concerned about how it's going to affect people's (like my dad's) retirement/pension plans, right now my parents aren't sitting well financially.

to be fair, the UAW is messed up, but let me tell you, when the economy was good, it was good to work in a UAW company. ridiculous wages for a mimimum amount of work. I'm talkin, $30+ an hour for skilled labor, with a production rate so low that you could literally leave the plant for half the day after you hit rate, come back, punch out, and go home. double time on fridays, triple time on sundays/holidays. plus excellent insurance and a pension plan.. you don't see that often in factory jobs like that. they took care of their employees but the current situation is a fucking disaster.

union man are we?

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue to be fair, the UAW is messed up, but let me tell you, when the economy was good, it was good to work in a UAW company. ridiculous wages for a mimimum amount of work. I'm talkin, $30+ an hour for skilled labor, with a production rate so low that you could literally leave the plant for half the day after you hit rate, come back, punch out, and go home. double time on fridays, triple time on sundays/holidays. plus excellent insurance and a pension plan.. you don't see that often in factory jobs like that. they took care of their employees but the current situation is a fucking disaster.

Wouldn't this be one of the several reasons why GM isn't competitive anymore?

Getting paid high wages to do nothing and produce nothing, and be proud of the "job" you've done?

I agree that unions used to be of value up until WWII but now, they're a leech.

How many robber baron style companies do you see now, offshoring jobs by the thousands? GM does it! The bulk of the once proud US manufacturing base has been sent overseas in search of higher profit margins when times were good. now times aren't good, and there's no manufacturing base to fall back on. The US economy was as strong as it was based on the "financial services sector" and look at what a room full of smoke & mirrors that turned out to be!!!

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Originally posted by pmoisse lol win!!! Chrysler already got bailed out once in the 80's and their savious was the K-Car and minivan. Useful cars for the times (although they were complete shit). Why should the gov't foot the bill again?

i'm not sure the chrysler loan in the 80s should be called a bailout. Apparently the government made money on thet deal because Chrysler paid back everything plus interest.

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Originally posted by elFreak