I just really don't understand how you can take a complete hypocrite like Rush seriously.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by Clovis How is it nonsense. My reasoning is that he absolutely despises anyone who doesn't agree with him or doesn't fit his mold of what 'America' should be, I would say that he only likes and agrees with about 5-10% of Americans. He hates blacks, the disabled, anyone with a criminal record, anyone who uses drugs, liberals, hippies, foreigners, immigrants etc...the list goes on...

It's nonsense because that's about as all-American as you can get.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On It's nonsense because that's about as all-American as you can get.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On It's nonsense because that's about as all-American as you can get.

In the historical sense, I think you're right. Hating everything that makes America itself is a very American trait.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by Clovis Rush is about as anti-american as they come.

didn't you forget? conservative america is the only real america. liberals, all those who have opposed the direction this country has headed for the past 8 years...those...those are the real anti-americans

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Originally posted by Clovis He hates blacks, the disabled, anyone with a criminal record, anyone who uses drugs, liberals, hippies, foreigners, immigrants etc...the list goes on...

Unless they're immigrants working for him or he's the one using the drugs.

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Originally posted by Clovis Then he should have had the same thing to say when Bush pushed the first half of the bailout.

No man I agree with you on that, and he did flip out about the first half of the bailout. He wanted NO bailout period. It's just getting seriously amplified because he's attacking someone who's popularity is immense right now, unlike Bush for the last... however long.

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Originally posted by The17sss No man I agree with you on that, and he did flip out about the first half of the bailout. He wanted NO bailout period. It's just getting seriously amplified because he's attacking someone who's popularity is immense right now, unlike Bush for the last... however long.

it's really easy for someone who has already made over $200 million and has another 400 million in contract to say he doesn't want a stimulus package to save american jobs. regardless of how the average american is doing, his fat ass will be poppin as many oxycontins as his chunky fingers can get a hold on.

i'm not a big fan either, but when 6 of the largest companies announced today the loss of 70K jobs, i'm very very concerned. being a lawyer, which is supposed to be a recession proof job, i'm getting very anxious about my job. i would rather have upfront spending to prevent a huge catastrophe, with future reduction in spending to offset the current spending. it's just how it has to be. I'm not talking about bailing out failed companies. i'm talking about investing in growth, i.e., technology, infrastructure, etc... we may need to let the weakest companies fail, but we need to do something to create or save jobs. i'm actually a pretty strong believer in free markets. this past few months have killed me in how much intervention is necessary (yes, necessary!)

hear, hear!

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Rush Limbaugh Is Hot Under the Collar by Michael Wolff Rush Limbaugh is worried. His anxiety might have something to do with his precipitous weight gain. Also, his speech patterns are showing stress. The normal enthusiastic, even jovial, oom-pa-pa of the instrument has become labored, dogged. It’s a hinge moment for the Limbaugh career. The advent of the Obama administration and the sweeping gains of the Democratic Party, together with the disorganization and enfeeblement of the Republican Party, could be an incredible opportunity for Rush. He could become the remaining voice of the right. On the other hand, he could be marginalized out of existence. If the economy trumps ideology, if Obama makes progress neutralizing the political wars, that’s bad news for Rush. Right now Rush is being played. The Obama dinner with conservative columnists, shortly before his inauguration, was as much about excluding Rush as coddling the columnists. Not only did the conservatives fawn, but Rush fumed. It got under his skin. Indeed, the rumor that he might in fact be there (likely coming from the Obama camp), and then his evident lack of an invitation, highlighted the slight. He’s tried to make it out to be a political point ever since, but mostly he sounds like a guy who’s hurt he didn’t get invited to the hot party. Then, there was the president’s throw-away line suggesting that Republican lawmakers, in the midst of the greatest modern financial crisis, were glued to their radios listening to Rush rather than hard at work. It was deft suggestion, not so much about ideology but about seriousness. Rush isn’t. He’s out on a limb, Rush. His current themes are about Obama’s radicalism, which, with every day of the new administration, seems a less and less sellable image, and—say-again?—the new president’s racism. Obama’s the racist, you see, in one of those message inversions coded so as to speak to actual racists. (“Racism in this country is the exclusive province of the left.”) It’s an unaccustomed verbal flailing: “Most of these guys came alive in the Civil Rights battles of the Sixties…” (When Barack Obama was under seven). Obama is being forced on us by a left-wing, racist, homosexual conspiracy: “We’re being told we have to bend over and grab the ankles.” The game the president is playing is to make a testy, easy-to-arouse, fun-to-rankle Rush come to stand for an odd-ball, tone-deaf, blowhard far right that the rest of the desperate-to-be-liked Republican Party will eagerly distance itself from (if Rush is trying to capitalize on the panty-waist demeanor of so many of his fellow Republicans, he’s also got to suspect that they’ll sell him out.) Rush’s game is to try to stay in the game. To find some plausible way to characterize and ridicule the president, which will justify the $400 million what-were-they-thinking contract he signed with Clear Channel over the summer. The pressure is on. **** Speaking of conservative careers, William Kristol’s has apparently ended with a whimper at the New York Times op-ed page. “This is William Kristol’s last column,” reads the strange footer, appended today to Kristol’s meandering, and not a little bizarre, paean to Barack Obama and the triumph of liberalism. I am pleased to point out that Kristol’s demise was explicitly predicted in this column on Nov. 3 in a post titled: "NYT's Neocon Is Fading Fast." It seems germane to add that Kristol’s appointment to the op-ed page was another in a series of spectacularly tone-deaf, lame, and embarrassing moves by Times publisher Arthur Sulzberger, Jr.

http://blog.newser.com/post/2009/01...the-Collar.aspx

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 it's really easy for someone who has already made over $200 million and has another 400 million in contract to say he doesn't want a stimulus package to save american jobs. regardless of how the average american is doing, his fat ass will be poppin as many oxycontins as his chunky fingers can get a hold on. i'm not a big fan either, but when 6 of the largest companies announced today the loss of 70K jobs, i'm very very concerned. being a lawyer, which is supposed to be a recession proof job, i'm getting very anxious about my job. i would rather have upfront spending to prevent a huge catastrophe, with future reduction in spending to offset the current spending. it's just how it has to be. I'm not talking about bailing out failed companies. i'm talking about investing in growth, i.e., technology, infrastructure, etc... we may need to let the weakest companies fail, but we need to do something to create or save jobs. i'm actually a pretty strong believer in free markets. this past few months have killed me in how much intervention is necessary (yes, necessary!)

Let me rephrase- he wanted no stimulus package as it was laid out. Rather, he wanted a stimulus for the American people via tax cuts in capital gains and corporate taxes, but of course we knew that wasn't going to happen.

Anyway, I'm starting to get nervous about my job too, even though I'm working in such a specialized field with little competition in my area. It's hard to say intervention is "necessary" because by definition, markets correct themselves when left alone. I don't get it man... Bush was treated like the devil when it came to deficit spending (which was warranted), but now it's like they can't spend it fast enough.

If spending like drunken sailors is a good idea, why are we in this mess now? Do you realize that only 3% of the stimulus is actually going to "infrastructure" (If you want the link I'll provide it). I just read that in this new stimulus package, there is 650 million going towards the "analog to digital" tv converter program, 600 million going towards govt. redoing their vehicle fleet in hybrid cars (which is double what they spend now), 400 million for NASA on climate change research, 8 billion for wireless and broadband deployment... plus these gems:

1) Dep of agriculture 44 million for facilities,
2) Dept of agriculture 29 million for research buidlings
3) Dept of agriculture 245 million for IT modernization (that's an assload of money to upgrade an IT department)
4) Rural community program 5.838 billion (whatever the fuck that is)
5) 22 billion for "rural housing insurance fund," 18 of which is for unsubisdized loan guarantees and the other 4 billion direct loans... which basically means they want to spend billions to make sure farms and rural areas have high speed internet access?
6) Welfare stuff: 100 million for WIC and 50 million to distribute Food bought for WIC programs.
7) 350 million for salary and expenses for National Telecommunications and Information Administration salaries and expenses
8) 150 Million for the Smithsonian...lol
9) 6 million for colleges and universities, most of which have huge endowments.
10) 32 new government programs will be created, which equates to 1/3 of the total package.
11) 4 billion to community organization groups like ACORN... or, funding Obama's army in other words.

This sounds a lot like a government stimulus package plan to me. For creating jobs, don't you think cutting corproate taxes would be a real stimulus? This is crazy.

Last edited by The17sss on Jan-27-2009 at 19:14