I get what your trying to say but i don't think you understand what the sanctions put on Iran have done to it.

Let me tell you something about what is happening.

My uncle 6 years ago finished his PHD in Physics in the field of conductivity so he is teach about Super conductivity and Semi conductors and all that kind of stuff. He studied at Sydney University then went back to Iran to teach as a professor. First thing he told me was that the books dated at least 30 years and they weren't fully up to date with most stuff.

Pre 1979, before the revolution, no sanctions are on Iran and the education level is up to date. Now with sanctions and 30 years later, Iran is trying to fetch up to date work from other places like my Uncle for example.

You can't possibly say that anyone that gets taught in America has better potential. If Iran didn't have sanctions and had the level of education that was in America, it could probably be building stuff on the moon by now.

The comment about Nobel Peace prizes, again read above comment and you will see that you are wrong with comparing them like that.

Your comparing Oranges to Apples here. Let's compare Iran to another country with sanctions and let's see the progress difference, oh yes Iran is far better.

If i was a film maker in Australia, i would want to go to Hollywood because it has 'potential', not because it's a good place to be or it has better education. When America falls from it's superpower status then falls upon China or whoever, then people will go there when there is more opportunities. If Iran wasn't under the same sanctions, then people wouldn't leave Iran at all. Other countries have better income so it draws these people. Many professors that learn in western countries go back to Iran cause it isn't as 'fake' as western nations.

Let me say that i believe the Revolution was the best thing that happened to Iran. It removed foreign influence and made Iran think for itself. Can't say much about Israel for that matter even the Arab countries love being spoon fed.

Despite all the sanctions and hardships ranging from financial to education, you can't possibly say this is a good work that only a few countries can do.

Iran Khodro is the 16th biggest automobile manufacturer in the world. Yes the cars are ugly, but they are getting there with little help that America tries to remove from them. This attack of the nations is against the Iranian people, not the government.


Iran has cloned a sheep after a 30 attempts compared to the British attempt of 277 failures. The sheep Royana is still alive after 15 months and still thriving. limited education but still able to do this, unique i say.

So regardless of what you think of their progress, sit back and think about the impact of what the sanctions have done and turned them into a pariah thanks to USA.

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Originally posted by Lemonad I get what your trying to say but i don't think you understand what the sanctions put on Iran have done to it.

i agree that it doesn't help iranians.

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Originally posted by Lemonad You can't possibly say that anyone that gets taught in America has better potential. If Iran didn't have sanctions and had the level of education that was in America, it could probably be building stuff on the moon by now.

it's just stupid for you to say that solely because of someone's geographical origin they have more potential. all else equal, someone born in china, england, the US, or iran has the same potential. It's all those other factors (political, educational opportunities, etc...) that result in the achievement of that potential.

In any event, if iranians were so much smarter than americans, perhaps the people and the country would create an economic environment that was conducive to economic prosperity of which you think they are capable. their current situation is only the fault of the iranian government. Americans don't have to trade with Iran; it's as simple as that. It seems like America is an easy scape goat for the country achieving far less than you think it is capable.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 i agree that it doesn't help iranians. it's just stupid for you to say that solely because of someone's geographical origin they have more potential. all else equal, someone born in china, england, the US, or iran has the same potential. It's all those other factors (political, educational opportunities, etc...) that result in the achievement of that potential.

have you read the book i seen the doco Guns, Germs, and Steel? fascinating but more about the origins of civilisation and why it began it the middle east and not in papua new guinie - two reasons, cereal crops and beasts of burden...highly recommended!

yeah, fascinating read. since the movement of people amongst the latitude allowed them to get familiar crops, they raped the native americans in advancement. not to mention the immunity they got by closely working with domesticated animals. Steel is also an art that is a very fine balancing act that took many years to perfect-toledo spain is somewhere people should visit atleast once!
Lemonad, it'd good to be proud of your people, but you have to see it for what it is. The U.S. played a large role in nurturing mr. naderi.
avoid thinking"My DNA is better than your DNA, but sanctions are holding me back!"

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Originally posted by tathi have you read the book i seen the doco Guns, Germs, and Steel? fascinating but more about the origins of civilisation and why it began it the middle east and not in papua new guinie - two reasons, cereal crops and beasts of burden...highly recommended!

i have read excerpts of it. I've also read other articles on the same issue (although that was many years ago when i was still an undergrad).