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Originally posted by RickyM Thanks for admitting that you cherry pick from the bible. The message of the gospel is positive? You mean the message that states that people will burn in hell for not believing that jesus was the son of god? Leviticus is relevant to this discussion, regardless of how you dodge the issue. Whether or not the laws still apply, it was still your god advocating these horrors, if that's the sort of being you want to worship then fine...but don't call me 'dumb'.

Thanks for admitting that you actually have 0 understanding of how the Christian Religion works. Surprise, most of us don't take the Old Testament literally. Your knowledge is at best laughable.

As far as anyone refusing to accept Jesus as their savior burning in hell, I believe your understanding just took yet another turn for the worse. No surprise there. You're a prime example of someone, who in real life probably isn't such a bad guy. You have a warped view of what and who God is because of silly teachings, therefore you have no real understanding of who Jesus was. Yet, without knowing, you probably lead a good life quite similar to his without actually understanding or really knowing who he was exactly. This means that you have accepted his message whether you realize it or not and the Gospels and Paul's letters make it clear that this is yet another path to salvation.

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Could you state the bible verse which you base this viewpoint on?

As for the above retardation, Krypton already provided a Biblical source and I imagine even with your limited understanding of things you know the story of Sodom. So kindly allow me to keep calling you dumb until you succeed in not getting completely owned by me in every one of your posts you pleb.

is homosexuality bad? - see below

is homosexuality natural? - NO

should homosexuality be tolerated? - as long as it doesn't endanger the natural development (incl. reproduction) of mankind. we tolerate mentally ill people, right? what if mentally ill people started running around and impregnating women? now thats what a shotgun is for

should gay marriage be legalized? - why not? just another name for two gays dating.

should gay couples adopt children? - NO! see below

should homosexuality be popularized? - NO! because of its unnatural essence. homosexuality should stay where it appeared but in no way should it be spread (popularized) into youth.

that's about all

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Originally posted by Alex Thanks for admitting that you actually have 0 understanding of how the Christian Religion works. Surprise, most of us don't take the Old Testament literally. Your knowledge is at best laughable. As far as anyone refusing to accept Jesus as their savior burning in hell, I believe your understanding just took yet another turn for the worse. No surprise there. You're a prime example of someone, who in real life probably isn't such a bad guy. You have a warped view of what and who God is because of silly teachings, therefore you have no real understanding of who Jesus was. Yet, without knowing, you probably lead a good life quite similar to his without actually understanding or really knowing who he was exactly. This means that you have accepted his message whether you realize it or not and the Gospels and Paul's letters make it clear that this is yet another path to salvation. As for the above retardation, Krypton already provided a Biblical source and I imagine even with your limited understanding of things you know the story of Sodom. So kindly allow me to keep calling you dumb until you succeed in not getting completely owned by me in every one of your posts you pleb.

You really are a bit of a twat aren't you? It's a common tactic to label your antagonist as 'an idiot' when you're not even making an argument.
I know how the christian religion works, I used to be one, so enough of this 'I know more than you' bullshit.

'Most of us don't take the old testament literally' I asked you this to see what book you took your viewpoint from you fool, not because I don't know. Funnily enough you mention the story of sodom, which surprise surprise is in the OLD TESTAMENT. You know, that book which you say christians don't take literally.
As for understanding 'who jesus was', I don't think you have any better idea than me. We've both read the same book which has been translated and changed many times over hundreds of years, so don't pretend you know something I don't.
By the way, what happens to those who don't accept jesus as their saviour? From my understanding you must accept jesus to inherit 'eternal life', unless I've been mislead regarding the cornerstone of christianity...
As for 'owning' me...I think you need to do more than call someone an idiot to own them. Keep trying though.

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I know a LOT of things you don't buddy. Your post is full of funnies. And I don't care that you claim you were a Christian, we both know there are plenty of dumb and not very devoted Christians so spare me

Also, just because you've read parts of the Bible (and clearly misunderstood them) doesn't make you knowledgeable.

Have you ever heard of Biblical inerrancy? No? Didn't think so. With a proper definition of Biblical inerrancy you can understand why I used the story of Sodom to prove my earlier point. Just because I don't believe a lot of the Old Testament to be LITERALLY TRUE, IE: The details of the STORIES doesn't mean I don't believe some of the messages to be true.

Owned once more. What are we at? 3 times now? Do yourself a favor and quit while you're ahead, either that or devote some time to coming up with intelligent arguments or points instead of telling me to "fuck off" and making a bunch of sweeping generalizations about what the Bible is based on your baseless opinions.

"Lol u dont no moar than me, i readz da same book!"

Give me a break kid, your statements are at best pathetic.

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Originally posted by Theresa So, I was talking to some dude from one of my classes today, and I am not sure how it came up, but he made some type of comment like "God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Being gay is wrong, it says so in the bible". So I asked "How do you feel about lesbians"? "4 breasts are better than 2!!" *sigh* This irritates me. People who use the bible to back up their choice to like or dislike something, but on the very same note, will support what they claim they are against. I basically called him a hypocrite after that, but then I started to wonder, is it hypocritical of a person to be attracted to something they believe is fundamentally wrong (based on their religious beliefs?) Is it reasonable to expect someones beliefs to reflect their sexual preferences/attractions? Discuss.

I was at Mont Tremblant in early Jan with my friend SJ, we were out bar hopping the one night and we met these two guys from westpoint academy and one of them and SJ hit it off. Unfortunatley for me she insisted on hanging out with these asshats all weekend.... so the next morning we are on the gondola and this guy is trying to impress her with intelligent debate...... then he lets the cat out of the bag..... he is a supporter of intelligent design.... at this point i lost the ability to "play nice" and i spent the rest of my weekend berrating and making fun of him for being a total and complete dunce.

That encounter just solidified my long standing theory that literal interpretation of religion breeds morons...... Further more, anyone who tries to take their "religious values" (quotations inserted because i believe there isn't any value to religion) and use it to measure the worth and merit of others..... If you want to believe that a white guy was born to a virgin in the middle east 2009 years ago and could turn water into wine..... congratulations your an idiot, but thats your perrogative..... just keep it to yourself....

Gah i hate jesus freaks, i have noticed as well of late that all the vocal bible thumpers are either baptist or some form of messed in the head evangelicals..... they should all be rounded up, moved to wisconsin and carpet bombed....... hopefully with all them gone, focus on the family will cease to exist, and i can see tits on global TV during prime time again......

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I have 3 hobbies: gaming, DJing & correcting maladjusted fools on the internet.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Yeah, I’d like to know what horrible, scarring incident in your childhood turned you into such an ignorant, intellectual-hating philistine?

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Originally posted by mezzir You know what, fuck it, I'll say it. The only reason religion is still relevant and practiced is cause it has essentially been grandfather clause'd into public life from generation to generation.

I don't think this is true. The features of human psychology that religion addresses will probably always exist -- fear of death, fear of meaninglessness, a desire to have a clear behavioral code handed down by someone much wiser, a desire to see one's life as part of a much bigger story. Those things aren't going away. Although I do think literal interpretations of religion will grow less popular as people become more knowledgeable about science and history, I don't know if religion will ever disappear entirely.

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Originally posted by Alex I know a LOT of things you don't buddy. Your post is full of funnies. And I don't care that you claim you were a Christian, we both know there are plenty of dumb and not very devoted Christians so spare me Also, just because you've read parts of the Bible (and clearly misunderstood them) doesn't make you knowledgeable. Have you ever heard of Biblical inerrancy? No? Didn't think so. With a proper definition of Biblical inerrancy you can understand why I used the story of Sodom to prove my earlier point. Just because I don't believe a lot of the Old Testament to be LITERALLY TRUE, IE: The details of the STORIES doesn't mean I don't believe some of the messages to be true. Owned once more. What are we at? 3 times now? Do yourself a favor and quit while you're ahead, either that or devote some time to coming up with intelligent arguments or points instead of telling me to "fuck off" and making a bunch of sweeping generalizations about what the Bible is based on your baseless opinions. "Lol u dont no moar than me, i readz da same book!" Give me a break kid, your statements are at best pathetic.

lol...kid.
Which parts have I misunderstood, I'd like an example please. There are that many different beliefs and interpretations amongst christians themselves, so I'm unlikely to interpret the bible as you do.
So if you don't believe a lot of the old testament to be literally true, do you believe the new testament to be literally true? If so, why is this? I mean they both contain far fetched nonsense. Unless it's down to the supposed 'comforting' message given in the new testament...easier to believe something if there is something in it for you.

I do know what biblical inerrancy is thankyou...by a proper definition do you mean your definition? Biblical inerrancy means that the bible is without contradiction and accurate historically, which you clearly don't adhere to, so why bring it up?
Lastly, it is quite funny to watch a christian such as yourself acting so condescending and patronising, given what nonsense you believe to be true.

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bible = no. gay people = yes!

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Originally posted by RickyM From my understanding you must accept jesus to inherit 'eternal life', unless I've been mislead regarding the cornerstone of christianity...

Ricky, you have been mislead or mistaken... sadly, many of the most vocal "Christians" don't really understand their faith. In order to inherit "the kingdom of God" you must be amongst "God's children" which is to say you must accept God's love, which is to say you must accept love. The two most important commandments according to Jesus are "to love God" and "to love your neighbour as yourself." Essentially what Jesus says is that love for God is love for humanity, as long as you have that the kingdom is yours. Any Christian that actually understands their faith believes that there is no reward exclusive to them in heaven, the reward for their faith is only on earth... the kingdom of heaven is open for all who accept it.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

this thread is a great example of why I refuse to take part in any kind of organized religion today. They have all taken the bible (or whatever their religious text is) out of its historical context and twisted it and bastardized its teachings to fit their own agendas and to control their followers. Honestly, if Jesus were here today he would be disgusted by some of the teachings being passed off as "Christianity" these days. I honestly don't know how people can think they are Christians when they are hating on gays while one of Christ's most important teachings and most consistant messages was 'Love your neighbor as yourself'. He didn't say 'love your neighbor as yourself unless he is gay then stone the fag to death' now did he?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I don't think this is true. The features of human psychology that religion addresses will probably always exist -- fear of death, fear of meaninglessness, a desire to have a clear behavioral code handed down by someone much wiser, a desire to see one's life as part of a much bigger story. Those things aren't going away. Although I do think literal interpretations of religion will grow less popular as people become more knowledgeable about science and history, I don't know if religion will ever disappear entirely.

I just don't think that fear of death, meaningless, really need religion to be resolved, I think humans are completely capable of addressing those themselves on an individual basis. In fact I view those almost as individual pursuits, and by taking your answer from someone elses's paper without doing your own research so to speak, you rob yourself of a lot of knowledge of yourself.

I don't think it'll disappear entirely ever either, but at this point in human history I don't really think that it necessarily fills a void that would have existed otherwise, but rather fills one it creates.

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Originally posted by XaNaX I honestly don't know how people can think they are Christians when they are hating on gays while one of Christ's most important teachings and most consistant messages was 'Love your neighbor as yourself'.

They show their love to gay people by warning that their gay activities will lead them into hellfire and damnation. They're just trying to save the gays from eternal torment. Sounds pretty loving to me!