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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles It was a nice excursion IMO, other than the stupid bit about "experimental music has no soul."

no reason for such negativity

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Originally posted by trancepeter seriously, let me explain what i mean. have you ever seen an electronic studio from the 50s? they looked like laboratories and the "musicians" were at the same time making sounds and developing their "instruments" under a very scientific aspect. one main thing that developed their sound and let them ignore classical structures was the use of card readers to play notes, which was more like a necessarity then a creative invention. it was not their main intention to make music. so i would call later developments the first types of electronic music, when they used the inventions from the 50s and 60s in a musical and creative way to intentionally make new music

He has a point there.

If the composers of Renaissance and Classical era saw people pounding out music from their computers today, they would probably also say "that's not real music" or something, but they would be just as wrong as you are to say that music composed in a highly technical electronics lab "has no soul." Soul is about the passion and motivation and skill of the person making the music, not the instruments or methods used to make it.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles If the composers of Renaissance and Classical era saw people pounding out music from their computers today, they would probably also say "that's not real music" or something, but they would be just as wrong as you are to say that music composed in a highly technical electronics lab "has no soul." Soul is about the passion and motivation and skill of the person making the music, not the instruments or methods used to make it.

that may be all true what you are saying. i just wanted to point out the difference between this (random google find, but with scientists in suits):



and for example this guy:



maybe "spirit" is a better word for what i called soul

(and yeah, its probably very hard to draw a line somewhere between these approaches)

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Originally posted by trancepeter that may be all true what you are saying. i just wanted to point out the difference between this (random google find, but with scientists in suits): http://arcanecandy.com/wp-content/u...aymondscott.jpg and for example this guy: http://theholdingroom.com/BandPhoto...n_in_studio.jpg maybe "spirit" is a better word for what i called soul

But really there is no difference. Aphex Twin has basically everything Raymond Scott has and more all shrunk down to the size of a laptop and some hardware instruments. Why does that mean he has more "spirit?" It's all in the appearance...I think producers like Aphex and BOC and Autechre who actually fiddle with electronics and program their own instruments in unconventional ways are very close in spirit to early pioneers of electronic music. Certainly the closest thing we have today.

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Originally posted by sljiva Put your shitty taste to side and for once try to be objective. Pet Shop Boys? What the fuck did Pet Shop Boys do to earn the title of the greatest electronic musicians of all time? They weren't the first nor the best pop musicians who used electronic instruments to create music. By the time they appeared Gary Numan, Depeche Mode and New Order already made the music that PSB never came close to. PSB were just a simple pop band and nobody should take them too serious. Depeche Mode on the other hand evolved into a fantastic and very influental band which is more than relevant these days (while nobody even remembers PSB anymore). So if you want to single out one pop band that was really influental, try Depeche Mode (I think I even read one interview where Goa Gil explained that DM were one of the main influences for psy trance).

First the question was Greatest Electronic musicians which is above all genres.
Secondly I wrote I would put Pet Shop Boys in the list, but not at which rank (obviously not on top).
Looking at: Petran

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"something like quality, quantity and overall contributions and influence"

I was wondering if names could appear at the top of which no-one thought they would end-up that high. But in order to really be able to make such a list points should be given to the different categories and even then how to give point for quality and influence?

Also time doesn't really count, same for best, it would be the one who has most point overall and regardless of any genre.


Looking at some facts for Holland. Depeche Mode had one top 5 position in the Dutch top 40 with "I just can't get enough" in 1985. 9 tracks made in the top 40. Pet Shop Boys had 3 top 3 and 4 top 2 positions. 19 tracks made it in the top 40.

I'm not telling because of this Pet Shop Boys should be higher than Depeche Mode, but wondering how far they would be behind to me is not a stupid question.

Regarding influence and nobody remembers them any more:

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At the 2009 BRIT Awards, The Pet Shop Boys received an award for Outstanding Contribution to Music. Pet Shop Boys have sold more than 50 million records worldwide. Since 1986, they have had 39 Top 30 singles and 22 Top 10 hits in the UK, including four Number Ones: "West End Girls," "It's a Sin," "Always on My Mind," and "Heart."

I by no means claim to know it all, because I think I always tell something is my personal opinion and am very open for other opinions and views. And yes I'm a bit older than the average over here, but that makes it possible to share how I experienced music over the years.

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i would also have to say robert henke is up there for me.

many great innovations production wise from him...i got to talk to him once at mutek, and i must say that to have that much knowledge and to still be so excited about the music this many years later is quite amazing.

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Even though he has nothing to do with electronic music directly, the greatest electronic musician is Gregory C. Coleman, the drummer of The Winstons and the fortuitous inventor of the "Amen Break" that changed the music as we know it.

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it just goes to show that sometimes the most innovative inventions are made without thinking too much about them.

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