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The17sss
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haha... even CNN is calling Dodd a liar now. He's been lying since yesterday (when he strongly denied he had anything to do with that provision) and now he's trying to pass the buck.

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what a disgrace. However the way we let AIG throw 1000x the amount of the bonus packages out to save foriegn companies is even more a disgraceful

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what a disgrace. However the way we let AIG throw 1000x the amount of the bonus packages out to save foriegn companies is even more a disgraceful


One of the reasons they are in the hole is credit default swaps bought by other institutions. How the hell else are they going to pay the claims on that?


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Whats next from this administration? I hope the uneducated voters are still paying attention.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?...id=aT_tMXRy2vDs

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As much I hate horrible executives getting bonuses, CEO Liddy isn't to blame.

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Originally posted by The17sss


haha... even CNN is calling Dodd a liar now. He's been lying since yesterday (when he strongly denied he had anything to do with that provision) and now he's trying to pass the buck.


Dodd's part in this is pretty minimal at best. If anything, he was one of the only folks that was actually trying to close down the bonus loophole altogether. Keep in mind that the original bill proposed had no language pertaining to the bonuses - i.e. as it was originally written, bonuses could have been handed out without anyone thinking twice about it.

I'll bet you'll never guess who wrote in the bill a means of controlling these funds going out as bonuses? Here's the original bill wrote by none other than Sen. Dodd:

quote:
(4) a prohibition on such TARP recipient paying or accruing any bonus, retention award, or incentive compensation during the period that the obligation is outstanding to at least the 25 most highly-compensated employees, or such higher number as the Secretary may determine is in the public interest with respect to any TARP recipient;

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/11...ext?version=eas


Compare that to the language of the final bill:

quote:
(iii) The prohibition required under clause (i) shall not be construed to prohibit any bonus payment required to be paid pursuant to a written employment contract executed on or before February 11, 2009, as such valid employment contracts are determined by the Secretary or the designee of the Secretary.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/11...ext?version=enr


Guess who pushed Dodd into this?:

quote:
The administration is concerned the rules will prompt a wave of banks to return the government's money and forgo future assistance, undermining the aid program's effectiveness. Both Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Lawrence Summers, who heads the National Economic Council, had called Sen. Dodd and asked him to reconsider, these people said.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123...tml?mod=testMod


So to summarize, Dodd had a bill that originally prevented the top 25 most highly compensated employees from receiving the bonuses, but thanks to the Treasury (and yes, Obama must share some of the blame), pushing back on him, the final bill in conference was re-written to exclude this version by Dodd.

What pisses me off is the Administration making Dodd the fall guy, and they were the ones that pushed him and the committee to include bonuses for the douchebags. If you read both of these articles in the NYTimes:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/15/b...IG.html?_r=1&hp

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/18/b...bailout.html?hp

The administration was clearly trying to pin the blame on Dodd, i.e. via "anonymous Admin. officials". I really tire of those fucking "anonymous" officials who are too pussy to give their names, esp. when they drop heresay like this.

And before 17 gets his chest puffed out in vindication, I do hope you remember who were the most vehement defenders of giving out bonuses. From an article back in early February:

quote:
President Obama has proposed capping compensation for executives at banks that take taxpayer bailout money at $500,000. Republicans hate the idea -- a position puts them uncomfortably on the side of people currently about as popular as child-porn producers and subprime mortgage brokers.

Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl (R-AZ) blamed the "tone deaf" bankers for creating the political environment that allows Obama to call for a cap.

"Because of their excesses, very bad things begin to happen, like the United States government telling a company what it can pay its employees. That's not a good thing in America," Kyl told the Huffington Post.

"What executives have done is troubling, but it's equally troubling to have government telling shareholders how much they can pay the executives," said Sen. Mel Martinez (R-FL).

Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK) said that he is "one of the chief defenders of Obama on the Republican side" for the president's efforts to reach across the aisle. But, said Inhofe, "as I was listening to him make those statements I thought, is this still America? Do we really tell people how to run [a business], and who to pay and how much to pay?" . . . .

The objection to the government intervention in salaries is rooted in the Republican belief that government is inherently ineffective. "If Congress can run a financial institution, it belies everything I've seen in this body. Government does not do a good job running private institutions," said Sen. Kit Bond (R-MO).

Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) agreed: "If we do such a good job of running the federal government, what business do we have telling them how to run the banks?"

The GOP is also concerned that setting compensation limits could put the country on the road to serfdom. "This is just a symptom of what happens when the government intervenes and we start controlling all aspects of the economy. This is just the first piece," said Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC). "If you accept the fact that the government should be setting pay scales in America, then it's hard not to go after these exorbitant salaries. But I think it's a sad day in America when the government starts setting pay, no matter how outlandish they are."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/...n_n_164544.html


Not to mention a few of the Republican Noise Machine mouthpieces being all for the bonuses too, including 17's bestest buddy and hero:

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/e...ip-on-aig-mess/


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Well way to go. The house just passed legislation to tax bonuses of TARP recipients by 90%, effectively guaranteeing that New York gets a nice ass-fucking. This whole charade is so over-the-top it's not even funny. Apparently cutting off your nose to spite your face is the new black.


so overdone. Way to retain talent guys. *clap*

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Lost Bonuses Mean Manhattan Home Prices to Drop Most Since ‘80
2009-03-19 04:01:49.0 GMT


By Oshrat Carmiel
March 19 (Bloomberg) -- Patty Farmer bought a $5.6 million one-bedroom apartment at the Plaza on Fifth Avenue in 2006, when buyers were lining up for the landmark building. When she put it up for sale two years later for $8.4 million, there were no takers.
“The offers were so silly,” said Farmer, a former model who manages her own money for a living. “People were like: ‘Oh, an apartment in the Plaza, why don’t you show it to me?’ But people weren’t buying.”
She took the unit off the market in December.
Manhattan apartment sales declined 23 percent last year as the Dow Jones Industrial Average fell the most since the Great Depression. Now co-operative and condominium prices are dropping as Wall Street firms cut the bonuses that contributed to the property market boom of the past decade.
A 50 percent reduction in bonuses would push down prices by about 24 percent from their peak through mid-2010, said Sam Chandan, chief economist at property research firm Real Estate Economics LLC in New York. That would mark the biggest slide since 1980 when appraiser Miller Samuel Inc. started tracking Manhattan prices.
“This will probably be the worst price correction the city has seen,” said Marisa Di Natale, senior economist at Moody’s Economy.com in West Chester, Pennsylvania.
When bonuses climbed 114 percent between 1998 and 2000, Manhattan co-op and condo prices followed, rising 51 percent during those years, data compiled by Miller Samuel show.

Sliding Prices

“If bonuses next year are expected at or below the current level, then prices will slide,” Miller Samuel President Jonathan Miller said.
Sales of Manhattan condominiums and co-ops priced at $10 million or more fell 60 percent in the fourth quarter from a year earlier, the New York City’s Independent Budget Office said. Transactions involving Manhattan apartments valued at $1 million or more dropped 21 percent in the same period.
The securities industry accounted for 51 percent of the growth in wages in Manhattan’s private sector from 2003 to 2007, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Financial firms disbursed $18.4 billion of bonuses last year, down from $32.9 billion in 2007, New York State Comptroller Thomas DiNapoli said in a January report. The average bonus declined 37 percent to $112,000, according to DiNapoli’s office.
New York City budget officials estimate bonuses will fall 50 percent in the fiscal year ending in June from a year earlier, and will decline further in fiscal 2010.

Hedge Fund Reject

Manhattan is already feeling the pinch. Real estate broker Lawrence Rich thought he had the perfect match when he paired a Wall Street buyer with a $1.8 million apartment in Chelsea.
His client had a 30 percent down payment and financing lined up to purchase the triplex. The building’s co-op board rejected him because he worked at a hedge fund.
“They were asking him if he was going to keep his job, they were asking him about his bonus,” said Rich, who works for Prudential Douglas Elliman Real Estate in New York. The hedge fund employee abandoned his effort to buy and is now renting.
Apartment prices have dropped 15 percent in Manhattan and may fall another 11 percent to a median of about $820,000 in the next 12 months, said Chandan of Real Estate Economics. If bonuses are eliminated, prices would slump by another 20 percent to 24 percent to a median of $730,000, he said.
“If there’s a shock to income in the city or a shock to employment, that changes the demand side in the short term and prices adjust to that,” Chandan said.

Stalled Deals

Right now transactions are stalled with some buyers refusing to make an offer unless prices are reduced, said Josh Guberman, chief executive officer of Core Development Group LLC, which builds luxury condos in Manhattan.
“It’s literally this kind of Western standoff now, where buyers have their guns drawn and are ready to go, and the sellers are there, guns drawn wanting to make a move,” Guberman said.
His group sold the last two duplex apartments at the Legacy on East 84th Street in January after cutting the price on one to
$3.25 million and the other to $2.8 million, both down from $4 million.
Paul Purcell, a partner at Manhattan real estate consulting firm Braddock & Purcell, said clients who approach him for advice are looking for even bigger price reductions.
“They’re saying ‘The Dow is down 40 percent, I want real estate to reflect that,’” he said.

Price Cuts

On Manhattan’s Upper East Side, the price for a 15-room duplex at 740 Park Ave., the building that has been home to former Merrill Lynch & Co. Chief Executive Officer John Thain and cosmetics billionaire Ronald Lauder, was cut by 26 percent in January to $26 million, according to real estate Web site Streeteasy.com.
The 6,700 square-foot duplex, owned by late investment banker Randolph Speight for more than 40 years, features a private elevator and landing, four staff bedrooms, a butler’s pantry and a marble gallery, according to the broker’s listing, and Michael Gross, author of “740 Park: The Story of the World’s Richest Apartment Building.”
Speight’s unit has been on the market since August.
“You need $50 million or $100 million liquid money before they would even consider you,” Gross said of the building’s co- op board. “It’s an all-cash building. There are no mortgages.
And you have to pass a board that’s run by a hedge fund guy.”

‘Liquid Money’

Real estate brokers now rely on sales to buyers outside the financial industry. Rich of Prudential Douglas Elliman recently sold a $2.7 million condominium on TriBeCa’s Warren Street to the owner of a small insurance company and a $4 million condo at East 74th Street to the owner of an electrical contractor, he said.
As for Patty Farmer, she’s staying in her eighth-floor apartment with views of Central Park and the pond at the park’s southern tip, gilt framed mirrors and calligraphy of inspirational quotations on the walls.
“Luckily I’m in a situation where I wanted to move,” said Farmer, who splits her time between New York City, Orange County, California, and Paris. “A lot of people are in a situation where they want out.”

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quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Dodd's part in this is pretty minimal at best. If anything, he was one of the only folks that was actually trying to close down the bonus loophole altogether. Keep in mind that the original bill proposed had no language pertaining to the bonuses - i.e. as it was originally written, bonuses could have been handed out without anyone thinking twice about it.


I agree that Dodd is not the only guilty party here, but he did flatly deny that he had anything to do with writing the loophole for a full day, then had to fall on his sword the following day and admit he did write. Wasn't it called the "Dodd ammendmant"? Interesting that this asshole got the largest amount of campaign contributions among senators.

quote:
And before 17 gets his chest puffed out in vindication, I do hope you remember who were the most vehement defenders of giving out bonuses. From an article back in early February:

Not to mention a few of the Republican Noise Machine mouthpieces being all for the bonuses too, including 17's bestest buddy and hero:


I like how you worded that.... lol. I don't have a problem with the bonuses though man (relatively speaking), because they were merit based and contractually in writing; I'm missing the point of this part of your post. My problem is in the feigned outrage as a strategy to further demonize businesses. They knew about all of this long ago. One might conclude that the administration deliberately enabled the bonuses so they could stoke populist outrage and push through more of their anti-business agenda. Freddie Mac also has retention bonuses built in... 2 months AFTER the taxpayer bailout. Where's the outrage on that? Oh yeah, they aren't a private company. Time Magazine is now reporting that the Treasury knew another 10 days sooner than they are saying:
http://www.time.com/time/business/a...1886138,00.html

quote:
Though Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner told Congressional leaders Tuesday he only learned of the impending $160 million bonus payments to members of AIG’s troubled financial products unit March 10, sources tell TIME that the New York Federal Reserve informed Treasury staff that the payments were imminent on February 28. That is 10 days before Treasury staffers say they first learned “full details” of the bonus plan, and three days before the Administration launched a new $30 billion infusion of cash for AIG.

“Treasury staff was informed about the new bonuses in a Feb. 28 memo that the March 15 [bonus payment] date was upcoming,” a Federal Reserve source tells Time. A Treasury department source, speaking on background, confirms the e-mail memo and its contents, and says further, “Everybody knew that [AIG] had a retention issue.”

The Treasury department official says the fault appears to lie with career staffers at the department, who failed to report the imminent bonus deadline up the chain to Geithner. This failure may be a by-product of the difficulty he has had staffing up at Treasury. But Geithner still has some personal vulnerability on the issue. It was he, as head of the New York Federal Reserve, who negotiated the AIG bailout last September. At that time, he could have sought to get bonuses repealed as part of the massive government loan.


Further proof of Geithner lying here: http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009...-the-dunk-tank/

quote:
1:47: Rep. Scott Garrett (R., N.J.) asks more about the timeline. Liddy said that talking last week to Tim Geithner, the Treasury secretary, Geithner indicated he learned about the bonus issue the prior week. That appears to conflict with the timeline put forth by the Obama administration, saying Geithner only learned last Tuesday (March 10).


As noted by Allahpundit: Only three possibilities here. One: Geithner found out about the bonuses as soon as his staff did and lied about it to Congress. Two: Geithner told Congress the truth but, thanks to the understaffing crisis at Treasury, it now takes 10 days for politically important matters to trickle up to the secretary’s desk. Three: Geithner told the truth and there’s no understaffing crisis, but his staff’s so incompetent that they didn’t realize this was a priority when they found out.

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quote:
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As much I hate horrible executives getting bonuses, CEO Liddy isn't to blame.


Of course he isnt, this has nothing to do with him. Its embarrassing the way that the democrats are trying to act like they are coming down on him on the tax payer's behalf. The Guy is working for free to fix this, and wasnt involved until 6 months ago.

Sen Dodd took over 5 milllion in campaign donations from financial companies, no wonder he made a last minute entry into the bill to allow this to happen. They put it in the bill!!!! Why the fuck are they up there trying to act tough and grill Liddy?

insane

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haha... I'm not the biggest of Ron Paul fans, but he's pretty much on target with this statement

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Well way to go. The house just passed legislation to tax bonuses of TARP recipients by 90%, effectively guaranteeing that New York gets a nice ass-fucking. This whole charade is so over-the-top it's not even funny. Apparently cutting off your nose to spite your face is the new black.


so overdone. Way to retain talent guys. *clap*

I can't even express how annoyed I am about what's going on with the anti-Wall Street rhetoric. This fucking country deserves $0 of the TARP money back considering how hard they're making it for banks to function. Deutsche Bank, UBS, Credit Suisse, the hedge funds, the list goes on and on, are licking their chops at the talent they'll be able to coax away.

I hope some of these banks pay back the money and to shore up capital, cut lending.


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Well way to go. The house just passed legislation to tax bonuses of TARP recipients by 90%, effectively guaranteeing that New York gets a nice ass-fucking. This whole charade is so over-the-top it's not even funny. Apparently cutting off your nose to spite your face is the new black.


so overdone. Way to retain talent guys. *clap*


Dude who cares about Manhattan real estate. This bill is sooooo stupid on so many more levels. Allow me to outline a few salient points:

quote:

Bonus-Tax Plan Heads to Senate After House Passes 90% Levy
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By Ryan J. Donmoyer

March 20 (Bloomberg) -- The Senate plans to vote next week on steep levies on employee bonuses after the House overwhelmingly approved a 90 percent tax on bonuses at American International Group Inc. and other companies receiving bailout funds.

The Senate’s proposal on companies that got the federal money would place a 70 percent tax on the bonuses. Half that amount would be paid by employees, half by the companies.

The 328-93 House vote came amid a national outcry over $165 million AIG paid in bonuses last week after receiving $173 billion in bailout funds as part of the government’s efforts to stabilize credit markets. President Barack Obama said he was “stunned” by the bonuses and vowed to recoup the money.

“Paying excessive bonuses to the same group of folks that helped get us into this crisis is simply unacceptable,” Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus said in a statement. “Millions of Americans continue to struggle to get by, counting their dollars, and Congress needs to do the same.”

The House measure would cover companies receiving 75 percent of federal bailout funds, according to the Ways and Means Committee. The Senate proposal would affect a larger pool of workers and the chamber may vote on it next week, said its primary sponsor, Baucus, a Montana Democrat.

Meanwhile, House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank proposed legislation late yesterday to ban payments at companies getting U.S. aid until the government is repaid.

Responding to Furor

The House bill passed yesterday would affect employees earning more than $250,000 who received bonuses from companies that received more than $5 billion in aid from the Troubled Asset Relief Program.

“These people are getting away with murder,” said House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles Rangel of New York. “They’re getting paid for the destruction they’ve caused to our communities.”

The financial industry is counting on the slower pace of the Senate to give it a chance to mount a defense, according to a Washington-based representative of the financial services industry. With a vote expected quickly next week, there may be little time to make a strong case.

Still, the industry will argue that the new taxes would affect far more workers than previous measures, hurt families and undermine the economic recovery at banks receiving TARP funds, the representative said.

‘Negative Effect’

“The concern is the negative effect on rank-and-file workers and couples,” said Scott Talbott, senior vice president of government affairs for the Financial Services Roundtable, a Washington trade group for the industry.

Obama said in a statement that the measure “rightly reflects the outrage” among the public over bonuses, and said he hopes to receive a bill “that will serve as a strong signal to the executives who run these firms that such compensation will not be tolerated.”

The Senate measure, proposed by Baucus and the panel’s top Republican, Iowa Senator Charles Grassley, would also restrict the amount of income that can be deferred from tax to $1 million. Democrat Ron Wyden of Oregon and Republican Olympia Snowe of Maine also are sponsoring the measure.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid sought to have Baucus’s measure immediately passed; Arizona Republican Jon Kyl objected.

“Other senators need time to consider the bill,” said Kyl. “The public ought to have a right to review this legislation to make sure it doesn’t have any additional loopholes or unintended consequences.”

While the two chambers differ in their mechanics, both pieces of legislation would target bonus pools that as recently as 2007 totaled more than $39 billion.

Court Fight Predicted

Senator Judd Gregg, a New Hampshire Republican, predicted Congress’s efforts to rescind the bonuses through higher taxes would be thrown out in court. He said the legislation violates the constitutional ban on bills of attainder, which restricts lawmakers’ ability to punish individual Americans.

“It’s basically targeted on a small group of people,” Gregg said. He also said the bill may exceed lawmakers’ power to rewrite existing contracts. He said “of course” the government ought to try to rescind the bonuses “but we’ve got to do it legally.”

Some academics said the legislation may survive a court challenge. “From what I’ve seen, it would pass constitutional muster,” said Alexander Tsesis, an assistant professor of law at Loyola University in Chicago.

Tsesis said the legislation targets several companies that received government funds. For the measure to be unconstitutional, courts would have to find that the motive of the legislation was to target one company, he said.

‘Think It’s Okay’

“We’ve pushed the constitutional question pretty hard with constitutional experts and we think it’s okay,” Baucus said.

The House’s 90 percent tax would apply to bonus payments made after Dec. 31, 2008, and it would cease when the U.S. government’s investment in the company fell below $5 billion. The tax wouldn’t apply to any bonus returned to a company, or to commissions or fringe benefits.

About $3.6 billion in Merrill Lynch & Co. bonuses wouldn’t be affected by the new legislation because they were paid before Dec. 31. Bonuses for employees at Bank of America Corp., Citigroup Inc., JPMorgan Chase & Co., Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Morgan Stanley would be affected because they were paid after Dec. 31.

Fannie, Freddie

The measure also would affect employees of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Rangel said yesterday. It wouldn’t apply to foreign workers of U.S. companies.

Separately yesterday, Grassley called on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to justify their retention bonuses while the entities were losing money. Fannie Mae awarded a total of $4.4 million in retention bonuses to four of its top six executives in 2008. Freddie will release its payments to top executives in April.

“Just as with the extravagant bonus pay at AIG, it’s important to make sure that taxpayer support isn’t enabling unreasonable compensation arrangements that would never have been possible without taxpayer assistance,” Grassley said.

Voting for the House measure were 243 Democrats and 85 Republicans; six Democrats and 87 Republicans voted against it. A two-thirds margin was required under a fast-track procedure that barred amendments by opponents.

‘Public Outrage’

“The House vote absolutely reflects public outrage,” said Barry Burden, director of graduate studies in political science at the University of Wisconsin in Madison. “It is populism at its most intense.”

The Senate bill would tax retention and performance bonuses paid to foreign workers of U.S. companies. The 70 percent excise tax, split between employee and company, would be non- deductible. It would apply to 100 percent of any retention bonus and any other bonuses, including those that are performance- based, over $50,000. Certain stock options that vest for at least three years would be exempt.

“I wish we didn’t have to do this, but the administration didn’t stop the bonuses this year,” said Grassley. Using bailout dollars for bonuses after companies have been run into the ground adds insult to injury against taxpayers.”

House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio opposed that chamber’s measure, demanding to know who added language to the $787 billion economic stimulus bill last month that protected executive bonuses promised before Feb. 11.

‘Political Charade’

Boehner called the measure a “political charade” and said, “Why don’t we just get it all back?” He said Republicans offered an alternative requiring the Treasury secretary to devise a plan within two weeks to get all the bonus money back.

The House bill was drafted yesterday as AIG Chief Executive Officer Edward Liddy told a House Financial Services panel that he asked employees who got bonuses over $100,000 to repay half. Employees who made bad trades that triggered the company’s meltdown have been fired and received no bonuses, he said.

To contact the reporter on this story: Ryan J. Donmoyer in Washington at [email protected]



Considering AIG alone, who do they think is going to do their business of winding down their portfolio? I don't know how they're going to be able to operate. Certainly NO ONE else is going to leave their jobs to go work for AIG. Anyone who does is probably a moron.

Outside of the AIG issue, the Treasury department FORCED the top banks to take TARP money as a part of its CPP program. This populist backlash will now impact ALL of the Feds other programs designed to stimulate private investment in partnership with the government because who is going to want to participate in these federal programs that are going to be subjected to this level of scrutiny and punitive damages?


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