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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Because there is no evidence to support such claims as well as the fact that the claims themselves make absolutely no sense? Faj, there's a reason romania is in the arse-end of the world and its not because you're all stunning political scientists.

what claims make no sense? and where did i say i was a political scientist?

It is well known that we fly false flag operations all the time. My mentor Major King said they would use Russian weapon systems and ordinance when he was in SF and later in the XXX. He won't tell me what three letter organization it was, but I'm betting CIA.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Because its still bat-shit insane? If you want to believe anything, believe that yes it was Arab terrorists, and that yes we knew it was going to happen, and that no one did anything to stop it. Sadly thats how it panned out, but out of incompetence in the US intelligence agencies, not by any sort of master plan.

i find it much harder to believe that the U.S. would be "incompetent" to fend off an attack like that. lets not be naive here. we've seen deception on grand scales all throughout history.

I've accepted that my country was full of lies and deception during the 90s. our government stole from us, screwed us over and innocent people died so the rich could get richer. it's nothing new and the U.S. isn't exempt from it. only they do it in a subtler way.

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Originally posted by Faj27 what claims make no sense?

that there were bomb in the towers
that the govt planted them there
that there was no plane that hit the pentagon
that WTC7 was brought down by explosives at the behest of silverstein
thermite can bring down buildings

there are many many more but these are the most immediate examples of idiocy.

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Originally posted by RapidFire i find it much harder to believe that the U.S. would be "incompetent" to fend off an attack like that. lets not be naive here. we've seen deception on grand scales all throughout history.

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Argument from Incredulity is an informal logical fallacy where a participant draws a positive conclusion from an inability to imagine or believe the converse. The most general structure of this argument runs something like the following: 1. I can't imagine how P could possibly be false 2. Therefore, P. A simple variation on this is 1. I cannot imagine how P could possibly be true 2. Therefore, not-P. This is a fallacy because someone else with more imagination may find a way. This fallacy is therefore a simple variation of argument from ignorance.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN that there were bomb in the towers that the govt planted them there that there was no plane that hit the pentagon that WTC7 was brought down by explosives at the behest of silverstein thermite can bring down buildings there are many many more but these are the most immediate examples of idiocy.

o if that is what you're talking about i agree with that

thought you were saying false flag ops don't happen

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Originally posted by Zild o if that is what you're talking about i agree with that thought you were saying false flag ops don't happen

yeah, false flags occur, just not impossibly-huge conspiracies.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN that there were bomb in the towers that the govt planted them there that there was no plane that hit the pentagon that WTC7 was brought down by explosives at the behest of silverstein thermite can bring down buildings there are many many more but these are the most immediate examples of idiocy.

i never made any of those claims.

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as⋅i⋅nine–adjective 1. foolish, unintelligent, or silly; stupid: It is surprising that supposedly intelligent people can make such asinine statements. 2. of or like an ass: asinine obstinacy; asinine features. Origin: 1600–10; < L asinīnus, equiv. to asin(us) ass 1 + -īnus -ine 1

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Originally posted by Faj27 i never made any of those claims.

I was talking to rapidfire about conspiracy claims, and you asked which claims I was talking about.

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that there were bomb in the towers that the govt planted them there that there was no plane that hit the pentagon that WTC7 was brought down by explosives at the behest of silverstein thermite can bring down buildings

you forgot holographic planes.

most of those are put out by cia disinformation agents to dilute imo. They call this 'psy-ops'.

what about the northwoods document? thats scary. if you don't know what i'm talking about, you can look at in online. it's a document that had the written approval of the chairman and every member of the joint chiefs of staff, THIS WAS A PLAN TO FAKE TERRORIST ATTACKS ON AMERICAN CIVILIANS AND BLAME THEM ON CUB,A so that people would want to go to war with cuba. THEY WERE GOING TO KILL PEOPLE. THEY WERE GOING TO FAKE ATTACKS. one of them involves something with an airliner, and a bunch of college students. one of them was to bomb D.C., sniper attacks.. they were going to have cuban-americans dress up and attack guantanamo bay, and mortar and shoot and bomb and kill people.

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Originally posted by James Bamford Operation Northwoods, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war

if they were willing to fake attacks on american civlians.. KILL AMERICANS in order to get us convinced that we need to go to war with a country that has nothing to do with those acts, what are they willing to do in 2008?

1. Operation Ajax: In 1953, the U.S. and British-orchestrated Operation Ajax used "false-flag" bombings, shootings, and propaganda operations against the democratically elected leader of Iran, Mohammed Mosaddeq. Information regarding the CIA-sponsored coup d'etat has been largely declassified and is available in the CIA archives. In 2001, Madeleine Albright, US Secretary of State, apologised to Iran, saying that intervention by America in the internal affairs of Iran was a setback for democratic government. This anti-democratic coup d’état was a "a critical event in post-war world history" that destroyed Iran’s post-monarchic, secular parliamentary democracy, by re-installing the Shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, as absolute ruler, replacing an elected native democracy with a pro-foreign monarchic dictatorship.

Like so many other covert and false-flag operations, Operation Ajax remained shrouded in mystery for years. For years, the U.S. government, including the CIA, kept what it had done in Iran secret from the American people and the world.

2. Operation Gladio: The CIA and NATO stage bombings all over eastern europe
3. Operation Northwoods: The U.S. government planned to stage terror attacks as a pretext to invade cuba in 1964 (not mplemented)
4. Gulf of Tonken: Admittedly staged by the U.S. government to enter the vietnam war
5. U.S.S. liberty: the U.S. government along with Isreal attemped to sink a U.S. navy ship during the 6 day war
6. ???

i'm not really that into it, i don't really know what happened. i agree with the previous poster, that it most likely was real terrorists, and at most they let it happen. but then i again, thinking about what i just previously wrote, i don't think it's entirely impossible for the to of conceived the idea from the get-go.

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