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Originally posted by ziptnf When would it ever be appropriate to issue an order to waterboard anyone?

when all other techniques have failed.

this is no different from the scenario dealt with during the previous administration and the OLC documents Obama declassified reflect that and it's exactly why (among other partisaned political reasons) Congress hasn't as of yet backed up Obama's Executive Order.

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Originally posted by Q5echo when all other techniques have failed. this is no different from the scenario dealt with during the previous administration and the OLC documents Obama declassified reflect that and it's exactly why (among other partisaned political reasons) Congress hasn't as of yet backed up Obama's Executive Order.

Is your name really quintin?

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Is your name really quintin?

nope

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Originally posted by Q5echo sure, i guess. i fail to see the point though. i've been volunarily tazed and voluntarily pepper douched. both immensely more painful and torturous than waterboarding could ever be. (try having capsicum spray wash down to your ballsac in the shower after trying to get it off you) you don't see Krypton's faux righteous indignation in a thread everytime that happens to someone. see Krypton and other young and cool liberal douchebags like him use this as a POLITICAL statement not some holier-than-thou moral proclamation, although that would be the impression they want to convey to you. no, to them internally it's a political invective that reflects their irrational hatred of a certain previous administration and has no basis in real law. Mankow, within seconds of the procedure, apparently got right back in his little DJ chair and continued along his daily business. he wasn't injured. he wasn't disfigured. he suffered no long term or short term ill effects. basically, he wasn't tortured. he said he was because he has no idea what REAL torture is.

If could count on one hand all the things wrong with this statement...

How do you know what's worse than water boarding if you've never been water boarded? You don't.

And yea, me being against torture is all about that last administration...I'm not against it because it's wrong or against domestic AND international law, I'm against it because I hate Bush!

Mancow was obviously visually disturbed after only a few seconds. Try doing 183 times. It's torture. The point of these techniques isnt to inflict physical damage, it's for the psychological effect of making someone feel like they are dying. If that isn't torture, then this isn't America anymore.

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Originally posted by Krypton If could count on one hand all the things wrong with this statement...

knock yourself out, dipshit

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Originally posted by Q5echo knock yourself out, dipshit

Wow, you'v gotten pretty nasty. Listen to Rush lately?

oh shit, my ratings are down, I better roll with the rest of the media!

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Originally posted by Q5echo i can totally dig your beliefs. they're sound and grounded in good intentions. and in a perfect world they're completely plausible. however, i think it doesn't do Obama any credit to flatly believe that when push came to shove he would forego all the enhanced interrogation techniques that had been previously deemed legal just to please half of the nation to let a handfull of American's face a violent death. IOW he would waterboard. i have no doubt in my mind if he were unfortunately given the option. little of what Obama has said during his presidency does not come with an expiration date, and a mere Executive Order prohibiting such means very little when his own party that has complete control of government has so far refused designing Federal statute prohibiting such.

I can't believe you'r repeating this tripe when Opus already handled it in the PDD. We are bound to abide by the Geneva Conventions, our own domestic law on torture, and the Supreme Court decisions. These set a legal precedent. It is more than just an 'executive order'. It is against the law. There is no need for some 'federal statute'. It's legal precedent.

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Originally posted by Krypton I can't believe you'r repeating this tripe when Opus already handled it in the PDD. We are bound to abide by the Geneva Conventions, our own domestic law on torture, and the Supreme Court decisions. These set a legal precedent. It is more than just an 'executive order'. It is against the law. There is no need for some 'federal statute'. It's legal precedent.

And this dismantles Opus' and your "legal precedent" argument.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?...zk2ZDMwNGRmMDQ=

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Originally posted by The17sss And this dismantles Opus' and your "legal precedent" argument. http://article.nationalreview.com/?...zk2ZDMwNGRmMDQ=

Yea...right...I'm going to listen to a website whose blog is titled, "Liberal Fascism". Not to mention the completely erroneous conclusions derived from such a retarded article. Water boarding is psychological torture. PERIOD.

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Originally posted by Krypton Yea...right...I'm going to listen to a website whose blog is titled, "Liberal Fascism". Not to mention the completely erroneous conclusions derived from such a retarded article. Water boarding is psychological torture. PERIOD.

The article is actually titled "On Torture, Holder undoes Holder." It was written by former NY Assistant U.S. State's Attorney Andrew McCarthey... he lead the prosecution against the 1993 WTC bombing suspects Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and eleven others, and also contributed to the prosecutions of terrorists who bombed US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. He's also the director of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies' Center for Law and Counterterrorism.

Sorry if I put more stock in the legal knowledge of that guy over Krypton the 21 year old glowsticker.

You're terrified to admit that he makes more sense than you do.

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Originally posted by The17sss The article is actually titled "On Torture, Holder undoes Holder." It was written by former NY Assistant U.S. State's Attorney Andrew McCarthey... he lead the prosecution against the 1993 WTC bombing suspects Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and eleven others, and also contributed to the prosecutions of terrorists who bombed US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. He's also the director of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies' Center for Law and Counterterrorism. Sorry if I put more stock in the legal knowledge of that guy over Krypton the 21 year old glowsticker. You're terrified to realize that he makes more sense than you do. Read the article, as painful as it may be.

*ahem* 22 yr old.

well 17sss- what do you suggest is the answer to everything? i just want to know really bad.

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Posted by Omega_Blue that's it, fuck it i'm quitting ta forever. fuck if i'm gonna get trolled by fucking yukii. dammit!