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Originally posted by El K Dee i work at yonge and sheppard...we should like soooo totally hang out..

I'd love to but I'm not on that site...

I was referring to my company...

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Originally posted by chinamon chinamon is INCH MOAN. LOL so fitting.

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Originally posted by SSSanchez This sense of entitlement is common now.

How exactly am I conveying a sense of entitlement?

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Originally posted by Sentinal The Monroe Towers here in Mississauga and the Chicago and Onyx Condos are all in full swing. V-Dub I have always been very curious about your field of work. How does one start a carrer in crane operations??? Must be pretty amazing to have such amazing views of the city everydat from so many different locations.

I live there at Absolute and those cranes are 100 yards from my front door. I couldve been on one of them except for my making one of the stupidest decisions of my career...

As for getting into this gig...you join the union...that's it...

And yes the view is pretty amazing. I can see the Skybar from here. LOL...

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Originally posted by chinamon chinamon is INCH MOAN. LOL so fitting.

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Originally posted by Irishaddict My industry is booming in this economy. I realize I am one of the lucky ones. Although I firmly disagree Graham was hinting at any sort of sense of entitlement with his post, I definitely believe one exists with my generation. A university degree is fantastic and will elevate you above colleagues I completely agree, but success is cemented by hard work, hard hard hard work. I am so tired of new associates coming into my office like they own the place, only to leave 3 months later because they're not getting the silver spoon they thought they were entitled to. Humility and work ethic go a looooooooong way. rant over

I do not disagree with anything that you have written; my sentiment is similar. However, instead of soaking in hubris, perhaps look at how global the world has become and how there are structural changes in the economy, industry and employment...a lot has changed even in the last 5 years. Perhaps at the time, the decision to pursue a university degree looked promising, and that they based their decisions at the time with that information on expectations. Again, hindsight is always 20/20. Perhaps they should have pursued a job with the TTC collecting tickets for $120K p.a. (with overtime)? It's hardly skill developing and interesting, but great income, stability and benefits. This option certainly looks far better than having a university degree with no employment opportunities.

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Originally posted by The Highroller Anyway, I'll be entering the workforce with a seemingly recession-proof degree come January.

Pardon my ignorance here - but don't you have a biz degree?

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Originally posted by SSSanchez I do not disagree with anything that you have written; my sentiment is similar. However, instead of soaking in hubris, perhaps look at how global the world has become and how there are structural changes in the economy, industry and employment...a lot has changed even in the last 5 years. Perhaps at the time, the decision to pursue a university degree looked promising, and that they based their decisions at the time with that information on expectations. Again, hindsight is always 20/20. Perhaps they should have pursued a job with the TTC collecting tickets for $120K p.a. (with overtime)? It's hardly skill developing and interesting, but great income, stability and benefits. This option certainly looks far better than having a university degree with no employment opportunities.

A single university degree has not made you any more competitive for career jobs I would argue in at least 15 years. An enormous amount of people go to university in Canada. It is merely a stepping stone to a professional designation or further schooling. It keeps your head above the water in job competitions and gives you an interview. To think your university degree OWES you anything is so wrong, soooooo wrong. It simply gives you a nicer place to start.

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Originally posted by Playa24_7 +1 Thank you Laura. No matter what type of job you are doing, if you want to move up, you have to work your butt off.

Yes. And you have to consistently work your butt off.

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Originally posted by SSSanchez Again, hindsight is always 20/20. Perhaps they should have pursued a job with the TTC collecting tickets for $120K p.a. (with overtime)? It's hardly skill developing and interesting, but great income, stability and benefits. This option certainly looks far better than having a university degree with no employment opportunities.

I agree with your point, but I find that my studies have not been to merely make money. Personally, I enjoy education, especially if I am learning about things that I am passionate about. I find that I cannot do the same motions at a job over a over again, so even though collecting tokens for the TTC may pay well it is not for me. I need my career to mean something at the same time to challenge and interest me.

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Originally posted by 5hiftn6ears You're only talking about high rise construction...there's still commercial, institutional, residential, service work etc. And where there is a lull in people buying new, a lot of them have turned to renovating they're existing home...in turn picking up the slack of lost "new" construction. This has been one of my busiest years tbh.

Read the post people. Major construction will feel the brunt of this recession some time next year if things do not pick up fairly soon. Most current projects have received their financing and will be completed. Others, such as the jobs I listed have been delayed and/or are on hold. Shangri la, Ice Condos, Fly, and Minto (currently still on hold) are also seeing similar delays. Like I said, and this is public information, not one new permit has gone through the city of Toronto this year for a condo development. The opening of sales office does not mean a building will be built. They still need to sell roughly 2/3 of their units prior to breaking ground.

The mars project is institutional, which, as a whole could actually see increase of work due to the fact that their budgets are often funded by the government. Low rise residential construction is at it's lowest in at least 10 years. You forgot to mention industrial, which like commercial, is strongly affected by the economy. If banks, factories, stores etc continue to see less profits, there will be less money to use on capital expenditures such as construction of new buildings, plant upgrades, major renovations.

The stability of the maintenance sector and a possibly increase in home renovations will not carry the construction sector as a whole, and it takes longer for construction to recover than almost any other field of work. If you disagree, ask any of your coworkers about the early 90's

Non-residential construction is going to be depressed for probably the next 12 months. Just look at building permit stats from StatsCan. The only sector showing hope is institutional.

Re. the MARS project - it was partly backed by the government but the majority of the money came from private investors, and the management and leasing of it was to be done by a company called Alexandria out of California - Alexandria made the decision to put the project on hold. Just because a project gets money from the govt doesn't mean it's foolproof.